TSN: The Drouin Saga Part II - "How You Drouin?"

[FrankMTL]

Whats the most valuable asset Bergevin has traded so far in his GM role? Collberg, Sekac or a 2nd round pick? i'm trying to decide. For Collberg i'm assuming he already knew he was gonna suck after seeing him in the system for almost 2 years and not develop in the slightest. Same for Sekac.

Its like he doesn't want to take any chances. If you don't take chances, you can't win big (or lose big) and things will stay the same.

 

[MXD]

Drouin doesn't help the Habs either unless MB decides to throw the season away. It would be pure PR move.

Drouin would be an improvement on the wing for the short term.

 

[MXD]

Whats the most valuable asset Bergevin has traded so far in his GM role? Collberg, Sekac or a 2nd round pick? i'm trying to decide. For Collberg i'm assuming he already knew he was gonna suck after seeing him in the system for almost 2 years and not develop in the slightest. Same for Sekac.

Its like he doesn't want to take any chances. If you don't take chances, you can't win big (or lose big) and things will stay the same.

It was probably the caproom taken by Gonchar.

 

[MXD]

That's about all the Habs' could realistically give up without creating a hole somewhere else. If they need to add a pick... maybe a 1st next year that is lottery protected, but even that's a lot.

Sherback + Juulsen is actually a good enough package to not justify giving away a first as well.

 

[DAChampion]

A fun thing if Bergevin happens to get Drouin for cheaper than we expect will be the spontaneous praise he then gets from a board currently hating him.

 

[lo striver]

Drouin would be an improvement on the wing for the short term.

this sounds like Latendresse-2 to me

 

[DAChampion]

this sounds like Latendresse-2 to me

Latendressed was actually developing adequately on the Habs. Injuries were what ruined his careers, not being rushed.

 

[MXD]

A fun thing if Bergevin happens to get Drouin for cheaper than we expect will be the spontaneous praise he then gets from a board currently hating him.

....but then again, expectations for the "price" are all over the place.

Some would not trade Eller for Drouin.
Some would trade Galch + Beaulieu + 1st for Drouin.

 

[417]

i'm having trouble reading about some of the names being tossed around for Drouin in mainstream media (Shattenkirk for example).

It's hard to pin down Drouin's value, but his value IMO, shouldn't be higher or all that higher than what the Yotes' got for Kyle Turris a few years ago (which was David Runblad, can't remember if a pick was involved).

 

[Justin11]

A fun thing if Bergevin happens to get Drouin for cheaper than we expect will be the spontaneous praise he then gets from a board currently hating him.

Yeah, If he does happen to get him cheaper and fires Therrien so that Drouin and Galchenyuk prosper, then he will get some props from me.

 

[MXD]

this sounds like Latendresse-2 to me

Latendresse-2 would actually be a sizeable improvement on the wings.

 

[G0bias]

He's very calculated, one might argue too calculated when it comes to trades. AKA, doesn't go for big splash gamble.

Yet, people fear he'd trade the future away for nothing. Makes no sense.

You could argue Gainey hadn't given away any asset of substantial value before THE trade.

Besides I think it's more a combination of different factors. The team hurting so badly, the divisional rival premium, the french star factor with Drouin...all potential ingredients for a disaster trade.

 

[MXD]

i'm having trouble reading about some of the names being tossed around for Drouin in mainstream media (Shattenkirk for example).

It's hard to pin down Drouin's value, but his value IMO, shouldn't be higher or all that higher than what the Yotes' got for Kyle Turris a few years ago (which was David Runblad, can't remember if a pick was involved).

And a 2nd.

And this was before Rundblad completely flopped (his days as a possible Nicklas Lidstrom were long gone, however).

 

[Runner77]

Agreed and putting NB into that mix is just plane stupid. What has happened to this organization and fan base??

How ironic.

 

[Chfan]

Latendresse-2 would actually be a sizeable improvement on the wings.

Hell, Latendresse-1 would be an upgrade...

 

[waffledave]

Drouin is a high-risk, high-reward kind of move.

It could backfire and you could end up losing a few important assets.

But he has a lot of upside still. He's highly skilled and there's still a lot of value there.

You have to make that move if you are only giving up prospects.

It could backfire but thems the breaks when it comes to being a GM. Can't play it safe forever.

 

[MXD]

You could argue Gainey hadn't given away any asset of substantial value before THE trade.

Besides I think it's more a combination of different factors. The team hurting so badly, the divisional rival premium, the french factor, the Tinordi trade...all potential elements for a disaster trade.

Ribeiro had substantial value (and he indeed gave him away).

 

[hototogisu]

i'm having trouble reading about some of the names being tossed around for Drouin in mainstream media (Shattenkirk for example).

It's hard to pin down Drouin's value, but his value IMO, shouldn't be higher or all that higher than what the Yotes' got for Kyle Turris a few years ago (which was David Runblad, can't remember if a pick was involved).

They gave a 2nd as well as Rundblad.

It's hard to say "shouldn't be all that higher than Rundblad" because Rundblad was seen as a pretty high price to pay at the time. A lot of people thought Turris was a bust and the Sens got fleeced.

So if you're looking at an equivalent piece from Montreal it would probably be our top prospect too...so, McCarron and a 2nd for Drouin?

 

[Genesis76]

Drouin is 5.11, 20 years old and a left winger shooting from the left.

Why do we need to overpay for this guy again?

 

[le_sean]

It's not going to happen people and he would just be put on a line with DD anyways.

 

[Runner77]

Drouin is a high-risk, high-reward kind of move.

It could backfire and you could end up losing a few important assets.

But he has a lot of upside still. He's highly skilled and there's still a lot of value there.

You have to make that move if you are only giving up prospects.

It could backfire but thems the breaks when it comes to being a GM. Can't play it safe forever.

All depends on what you're giving up. You have to draw the line somewhere. Using prospects that are similar to Drouin, like Hudon or Ghetto, would at least help ensure that we're not perpetuating more redundancy.

 

[MXD]

Drouin is a high-risk, high-reward kind of move.

It could backfire and you could end up losing a few important assets.

But he has a lot of upside still. He's highly skilled and there's still a lot of value there.

You have to make that move if you are only giving up prospects.

It could backfire but thems the breaks when it comes to being a GM. Can't play it safe forever.

Hence why Juulsen is an important asset you can give, due to his depth chart possible spots are taken for a while (and bottom-pairing D-Mens are easy to get anyways).

Sherback is... a bit more complicated. Not many prospects on that side.

 

[lo striver]

Drouin is 5.11, 20 years old and a left winger shooting from the left.

Why do we need to overpay for this guy again?

he will save our season. he already scored 4 goals in 76 NHL games!

 

[expy]

This isn't the time to give up assets for a gamble player -- spend more to get a proven player, screw all these small unproven players, it won't help.

Marc Bergevin is only digging a deeper grave by acquiring these types of players.

 

[MXD]

All depends on what you're giving up. You have to draw the line somewhere. Using prospects that are similar to Drouin, like Hudon or Ghetto, would at least help ensure that we're not perpetuating more redundancy.

Hummm... Hudon is ... a completely different player than Drouin.

I mean, in a trade for Drouin, I know I'd want to use Reway, but I don't think he has much value.