The Claude Julien Thread - The “Tabarnacle” edition.

[Frozenice]

Nailed it, there's this myth of what the Canadiens are supposed to live up to and rather than give the young kids lots of chances to learn, fail, grow in positions to succeed they are passed over at first sign of adversity in favour of low risk/low reward vets that won't 'embarrass' the legacy but won't push us past mediocrity

Or maybe it’s something else entirely, more like when a coach looks at his team and realizes that he lacks high end talent that other teams have because the other teams have truly sucked for a couple of decades. Names like the the Laffs and the Dead Wings come with that territory.

We have to play a more disciplined, defensive style of hockey to be competitive, that’s life for us.

 

[JoelWarlord]

If you think he's going to be the 13-14th forward, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

You don't give your coach his stupid toys that suck and get overused and hurt the team.
Don't like this at all. Thompson sucks and gets played way too often.

Wouldn't even be surprised if Julien played him in front of either Kotkaniemi/Poehling, wouldn't even be surprised if one or both were sent to the AHL because of that.

Who could have possibly predicted Kotkaniemi would be last in TOI and they'd use Thompson over him?????

 

[1909]

Who could have possibly predicted Kotkaniemi would be last in TOI and they'd use Thompson over him?????

What's most important ?

A WIN

or

KK's icetime ?

 

[ECWHSWI]

What's most important ?

A WIN

or

KK's icetime ?

Habs won 2 of their 5 games... so I dunno, you tell us.

 

[The Great Weal]

Its not about being concerned or not, its about spamming the same lame sarcastic joke

Well there is one way of resolving this serious issue. It's called ignoring.

 

[JoelWarlord]

What's most important ?

A WIN

or

KK's icetime ?

They've won two of five games and one was a shootout. It's a false dichotomy anyway, Kotkaniemi's way better than Thompson and helps you win today while developing his skills.

To answer the gotcha at face value, Kotkaniemi's ice time is more important. This team is nowhere near a contender and Kotkaniemi has the potential to be the best Canadiens center in decades. His development is more important than any other forward on the team and it's more important to develop players with franchise forward potential than to try and squeak into the playoffs to get steamrolled.

 

[bsl]

Or maybe it’s something else entirely, more like when a coach looks at his team and realizes that he lacks high end talent that other teams have because the other teams have truly sucked for a couple of decades. Names like the the Laffs and the Dead Wings come with that territory.

We have to play a more disciplined, defensive style of hockey to be competitive, that’s life for us.

Sad. Then why bother? And hockey is about scoring goals. That’s it that’s all. With crap players or good ones the game is about scoring goals. Julien and his kind justify their positions by blabbing on and on about ‘defensive responsibility ‘ and such crap. All pro players already know that they have to back check. Duh. Julien is f***ing useless.as are all nhl coaches. Gally and Weber could coach the team just fine.

 

[bsl]

What's most important ?

A WIN

or

KK's icetime ?

To answer your question. Kk’s Ice time.

 

[Archijerej]

Refreshing to finally have an elite coach.

 

[1909]

To answer your question. Kk’s Ice time.

So, let's lose, and give 20 minutes of icetime to a 19 yo, who is NOT Crosby or McDavid caliber AT ALL... Very logic !

 

[1909]

Habs won 2 of their 5 games... so I dunno, you tell us.

They could had won easily FOUR.

 

[ECWHSWI]

They could had won easily FOUR.

they did not.

 

[ECWHSWI]

So, let's lose, and give 20 minutes of icetime to a 19 yo, who is NOT Crosby or McDavid caliber AT ALL... Very logic !

Habs are losing while NOT developping a 19 years old... you call that logic I guess ??

 

[1909]

Habs are losing while NOT developping a 19 years old... you call that logic I guess ??

They lost ONE game in regulation. Are they supposed to win 82 games ?

 

[ECWHSWI]

They lost ONE game in regulation.

NO EXCUSES

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Refreshing to finally have an elite coach.

You are in the wrong board, this is HF Habs.

 

[JoelWarlord]

They lost ONE game in regulation. Are they supposed to win 82 games ?

They've only WON one game in regulation!

So, let's lose, and give 20 minutes of icetime to a 19 yo, who is NOT Crosby or McDavid caliber AT ALL... Very logic !

Svechnikov or Tkachuk aren't Crosby or McDavid either and they're getting 18-20 mins a night.

 

[Tighthead]

They could had won easily FOUR.

Easily?

If those wins were so easily obtained why weren't they?

Explain in detail with respect to each game that this team could have won easily and in fact did not only not win with ease but actually lost.

 

[1909]

Easily?

If those wins were so easily obtained why weren't they?

Explain in detail with respect to each game that this team could have won easily and in fact did not only not win with ease but actually lost.

When you're going in OT or SO, anything can happen. They were leading in both games they "lost" in OT and SO.

 

[1909]

They've only WON one game in regulation!


Svechnikov or Tkachuk aren't Crosby or McDavid either and they're getting 18-20 mins a night.

BOTH are way more mature physically than KK, (older too) and I would say more talented. KK was drafted because Habs needed a centerman, and fast. + Center position demands more responsibilities. Takes longer to develop than a winger. + Tkaachuk is playing on a barren team.

But patience around here is very thin....

 

[Tighthead]

When you're going in OT or SO, anything can happen. They were leading in bot games they "lost" in OT and SO.

That isn't an easy win. You said they could win those games easily.

Why is lost in quotation marks? Do you consider those wins? Please explain.

You didn't say they could have easily been "wins". What is the difference in your eyes?

 

[Frozenice]

Sad. Then why bother? And hockey is about scoring goals. That’s it that’s all. With crap players or good ones the game is about scoring goals. Julien and his kind justify their positions by blabbing on and on about ‘defensive responsibility ‘ and such crap. All pro players already know that they have to back check. Duh. Julien is ****ing useless.as are all nhl coaches. Gally and Weber could coach the team just fine.

It’s about scoring more goals then your opponent, not just scoring goals. Most fans would rather win 3-2 then lose 7-5.

If Gallagher and Weber coached the team there would be more veterans and guess what, Mete would still be with Weber and it would still be Tatar/Danault/Gallagher and then what would you say?

 

[Edgy]

BOTH are way more mature physically than KK, (older too) and I would say more talented. KK was drafted because Habs needed a centerman, and fast. + Center position demands more responsibilities. Takes longer to develop than a winger. + Tkaachuk is playing on a barren team.

But patience around here is very thin....

This is the Galchenyuk situation all over again. Learn to play center on the wing on the 4th line with limited minutes.

Be patient, he needs to learn, it's a tough position, it takes time, he needs to be better defensively, etc... All the crap we heard before being regurgitated again.

The Bicep Bro & Beer Belly approach to player development special, worked wonders for Galchenyuk.

 

[OldCraig71]

What's most important ?

A WIN

or

KK's icetime ?

You can't possibly be serious. What is this team going to win with this roster? A participation cup maybe? Play the kids because it will mean something in 2-3 years when the team "should" be better, why waste time on Weal, Thompson and company en route to a 10th place finish? Is the NHL paying Molson to derail his own team with Bergevin as the conductor? Sometimes I wonder if it is all being done on purpose, how on earth can they be this dumb?

 

[CauZuki]

He's better than Therrien but that's not saying much...I'm not convinced his mentality is good for where this organization stands with the influx of young talent. He's fine for Price/Weber and company but not so much for KK/Suzuki/Poehling and soon Caufield.

Speaking of Caufield, he better get 1st wave PP right away or so help me...