The Case for drafting Jonatan Berggren

[TB87]

Jonatan Berggren, the Speedy Winger the Philadelphia Flyers Need - Last Word on Hockey Prospects

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[kelmitchell]

Ive already been sold on him, once you struck oil stop drilling

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Jonatan Berggren, the Speedy Winger the Philadelphia Flyers Need - Last Word on Hockey Prospects

Yes, Ted. Yes. A thousand times, yes.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I'd love to see Berggren with Patrick.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'd love to see Berggren with Patrick.

Lindblom - Patrick - Bergsie.

Tasty. As. ****.

 

[FlyTimmo]

If I remember correctly his "flaws" are very similar to Barzal's "flaws". Trying to do to much is almost an attribute.

 

[TB87]

If I remember correctly his "flaws" are very similar to Barzal's "flaws". Trying to do to much is almost an attribute.

Agreed. I’d rather a player do that than just be a conservative defense first type like Lundestrom.

 

[Alex K]

If he's that good, he shouldn't fall to 19th OA.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think I still hold the title of “World’s Biggest Barzal Fan” from his draft year. Had Konecny top 10 that year, too. Hated Zacha.

I really like Berggren — maybe not to Magua’s extreme, but close — but Ted, this article may go a bit heavy on the superlatives...

 

[deadhead]

Lindblom - Patrick - Bergsie.

Tasty. As. ****.

Ratcliffe - Frost - Bergsie.
Gentlemen, start your engines.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I think the entirety of HFBoards Flyers World is on the same with Berggren. If he is there, we want him drafted (barring someone ridiculous falling or trading up to pick up someone).

 

[deadhead]

The question is how coachable he is, for a guy like this, learning that less is more, and that in the NHL (especially on the 3rd line, which is where he'd be until Voracek is traded or seriously slips), you have to play good defense and back check as hard as you skate up ice, is the key to success.

 

[The Madrigal]

I think the entirety of HFBoards Flyers World is on the same with Berggren. If he is there, we want him drafted (barring someone ridiculous falling or trading up to pick up someone).

Not everybody is buying the hype.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Not everybody is buying the hype.

YES THEY ARE

 

[TB87]

I think I still hold the title of “World’s Biggest Barzal Fan” from his draft year. Had Konecny top 10 that year, too. Hated Zacha.

I really like Berggren — maybe not to Magua’s extreme, but close — but Ted, this article may go a bit heavy on the superlatives...

Alright. Noted

 

[The Madrigal]

YES THEY ARE

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

Not a first round pick according to Craig Button's latest mock

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-bouchard-rocketing-up-draft-board-1.1031499

Ranked 32nd on Button's draft rankings

https://www.tsn.ca/kotkaniemi-surges-into-top-five-of-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1115400

38th in Bob McKenzie's final draft rankings

 

[TB87]

If he's that good, he shouldn't fall to 19th OA.

Good players fall in the draft all the time. Many GM's/scouts adhere to positional bias: Centers and Defenseman first, wingers second. Even if a winger is the better player. Team needs come into play big time in the draft. Konecny dropped to the 20's in the 2015 draft. He was probably a top 15 talent in that draft class.

 

[sa cyred]

I think I still hold the title of “World’s Biggest Barzal Fan” from his draft year. Had Konecny top 10 that year, too. Hated Zacha.

I really like Berggren — maybe not to Magua’s extreme, but close — but Ted, this article may go a bit heavy on the superlatives...

I'm pretty close to you on that one man. I was shipping Barzal at #9 (of course happy with Provy)

 

[TB87]

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

Not a first round pick according to Craig Button's latest mock

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-bouchard-rocketing-up-draft-board-1.1031499

Ranked 32nd on Button's draft rankings

https://www.tsn.ca/kotkaniemi-surges-into-top-five-of-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1115400

38th in Bob McKenzie's final draft rankings

Craig Button's mock for the Flyers in the first round would be abysmal. Pre-draft rankings generally aren't adhered to by NHL team's as a whole. Off the board picks occur all the time. Not saying that Berggren would an off the board pick (because he isn't).

 

[The Madrigal]

Craig Button's mock for the Flyers in the first round would be abysmal. Pre-draft rankings generally aren't adhered to by NHL team's as a whole. Off the board picks occur all the time. Not saying that Berggren would an off the board pick (because he isn't).

Whenever a guy is ranked 32 and 38 by extremely reputable and intelligent guys like Craig Button and Bob McKenzie, taking Berggren at 14 wouldn't be off the board, it would be extremely terrible value. I suppose a case could be made for him at 19 although they could probably trade down and acquire more assets and still get him later.

 

[TB87]

The question is how coachable he is, for a guy like this, learning that less is more, and that in the NHL (especially on the 3rd line, which is where he'd be until Voracek is traded or seriously slips), you have to play good defense and back check as hard as you skate up ice, is the key to success.

True. Haven't read any rumblings about him being uncoachable though. He's a very similar player to Travis Konecny, minus the pest-like tendencies. He's better defensively than TK was at the same age.

 

[Young Sandwich]

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

Not a first round pick according to Craig Button's latest mock

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-bouchard-rocketing-up-draft-board-1.1031499

Ranked 32nd on Button's draft rankings

https://www.tsn.ca/kotkaniemi-surges-into-top-five-of-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1115400

38th in Bob McKenzie's final draft rankings

How about Frost just last year? I don't know that he was in anyone's first round rankings, including the big names. Some guys just fly under the radar for whatever reason.

 

[TB87]

Whenever a guy is ranked 32 and 38 by extremely reputable and intelligent guys like Craig Button and Bob McKenzie, taking Berggren at 14 wouldn't be off the board, it would be extremely terrible value. I suppose a case could be made for him at 19 although they could probably trade down and acquire more assets and still get him later.

Where in my article did I say he should be picked at 14? I actually think 14 would be a reach. It's definitely possible that they could trade down from 19 for more assets and get him later. That's a solid option as well. 14 is too rich though for sure.

 

[The Madrigal]

Where in my article did I say he should be picked at 14? I actually think 14 would be a reach. It's definitely possible that they could trade down from 19 for more assets and get him later. That's a solid option as well. 14 is too rich though for sure.

Where did I say you said the Flyers should draft him at 14? I apologize if I didn't explain myself more clearly. Others have not only been advocating for Berggren at 14, but clamoring for it. Hence why I used the term "Berggren hype" earlier in the thread. I'm fine with Berggren at 19 depending on who else is the board, and if they moved down a few spots and took him all the better. Taking him at 14 would be ridiculous though and thankfully I know since Hextall's one major strength is the draft he won't do something as stupid as that.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

Not a first round pick according to Craig Button's latest mock

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-bouchard-rocketing-up-draft-board-1.1031499

Ranked 32nd on Button's draft rankings

https://www.tsn.ca/kotkaniemi-surges-into-top-five-of-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1115400

38th in Bob McKenzie's final draft rankings