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Florida Panthers|27|20-4-3| 43 |20 ||Colorado Avalanche|24|17-5-2| 36 |15
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Philadelphia Flyers|26|18-7-1| 37 |16||Los Angeles Kings|26|14-8-4| 32 |13
Pittsburgh Penguins|25|14-9-2| 30 |14 ||Anaheim Ducks|25|14-9-2| 30 |13
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Columbus Bluejackets|25|12-10-3| 27 |12||Vancouver Canucks|28|13-12-3| 29 |13
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New Jersey Devils|26|12-11-3| 27 |10|| San Jose Sharks|27|13-12-2| 28 |13
Tampa Bay Lightning|25|11-10-4| 26 |10||St. Louis Blues|23|13-9-1| 27 |13
Buffalo Sabres|26|10-14-2| 22 |7||Winnipeg Jets|26|7-16-3| 17 |6
Boston Bruins|25|10-14-1| 21 |8||Minnesota Wild|26|7-16-3| 17 |6
Montreal Canadiens|25|8-13-4| 20 |7||Phoenix Coyotes|27|5-19-3| 13 |4
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Bluth Company Lifetime Regular Season Statistics

General Manager | Team | Season(s) | W | L | OT | DIV | CONF | NHL | POs
stevezz|STL|13|22|21|14|
Price 89 |EDM|13|34|22|4|
Stockey|BUF|13|29|20|9|
xX Hot Fuss |CHI|13-14|55|20|7||1||1
ArGarBarGar|DET|13-14|69|12|1|||1|1
stocks10|TOR|13-14|49|24|9||||1
HughJazz3dg|NJD|13-14|31|44|7
cbenini87|NYI|13-14| 46|26|10|1|||1
Sh0otnSc0re|PHI|13-14|40|36|6
SUBdrewgANS|PIT|13-14|46|29|7||||1
wilco5886|WSH|13-14|44|25|13||||1
McNashty|CAR|13-14|44|30|8||||1
xVx Santillo|CBJ|13-14|15|20|6
oconnor9sean|BOS|13-14|38|37|7
ahabsfanfromtoronto|MTL|13-14|42|35|5
Swift Who|OTT|13-14|37|38|7
ChuckWoods|FLA|13-14|47|28|7||||1
Persona5|TBL|13-14|39|28|15||||1
dimes|WPG|13-14|37|39|6||||1
dbridge92|NSH|13-14|44|30|8||||1
Firefoxx|DAL|13-14|31|42|9
ThePsychicSaw|MIN|13-14|34|37|11
avsfan89|COL|13-14|44|24|14||||1
canuckfan22|VAN|13-14|32|43|7
Jack de la Hoya|CGY|13-14|40|34|8||||1
bootsgaudet|ANA|13-14|44|32|6||||1
PasswordIsTaco|LAK|13-14|54|20|8|1|||1
DoubleK81|PHX|13-14|31|40|11
noexult|SJS|13-14|29|42|11

Bluth Company Lifetime Post-Season Statistics

General Manager | Team | Playoff Years | W | L | DS | DF | CF | SC
ArGarBarGar|DET|2014|14|8|||1
stocks10 |TOR|2014|7|4|1
ChuckWoods|FLA|2014|0|4
SUBdrewgANS|PIT|2014|6|7|1
cbenini87 |NYI|2014|2|4
wilco5886 |WSH|2014|3|4
xX Hot Fuss |CHI|2014|5|7|1
avsfan89 |COL|2014|3|4
PasswordIsTaco|LAK|2014|3|4
dgsportsfanatic |EDM|2014|0|4
bootsgaudet|ANA|2014|6|4|1
Jack de la Hoya|CGY|2014|9|9||1
dbridge92|NSH|2014|16|7||||'14
dimes|WPG|2014|3|4||||
Persona5|TBL|2014|0|4
McNashty|CAR|2014|9|8||1

DS=Division Semi-Finals
DF=Division Finals
CF=Conference Finals
SCF=Stanley Cup Finals

NHL 13 Season Awards

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

Bluth Company Sim Schedule

All Sim times are 9:00 Eastern Standard Time unless otherwise posted. Check the top of the OP just in case you need to get a game or two in last minute.

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*May change due to playoff series being played early

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

avsfan89 said:
what a flukey SH GWG against Phoenix lmao i felt bad man yikes

DoubleK81 said:
Words cannot describe how awful it felt to lose a game this way http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/177385463

DoubleK81 said:
That was the most perfectly timed sticklift i've ever seen

avsfan89 said:
same here, i can't believe that worked lol i thought id lift then take it and shoot but i figured i'd end up hitting the side of the net by then or something,

Smith or whoever your goalie played out of his mind that game though, robbed Mackinnon, McCleod and duchene a ton of times nearly point blank

Posts from last thread. Pretty awful break right there.

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

Here is each team's guaranteed salary based on who they have under contract for next season. It is up to you to see who you need to sign based on this. The number is not final but it will be between 60 and 70 million depending on what I get from these numbers.

ANA:37.42
BOS: 58.72
BUF: 37.235
CGY:33.61
CAR: 50.835
CHI: 58.015
COL: 37.295
CBJ: 45.955
DAL: 39.84
DET: 48.91
EDM: 45.765
FLA: 41.36
LAK: 52.055
MIN: 50.31
MTL: 34.03
NSH: 50.005
NJD: 46.155
NYI: 29.440
NYR: 30.415
OTT: 52.205
PHI: 54.34
PHX: 50.875
PIT: 53.215
SJS: 43.085
STL: 50.74
TBL: 45.935
TOR: 33.575
VAN: 44.48
WSH: 57.26
WPG: 47.43

I didn't look at who needs to be signed for each team, so before I set a cap I will need to look over it.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 19, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
Here is each team's cap based on all contracts I will be counting towards your total salary. It is up to you to see who you need to sign based on this. The number is not final but it will be between 60 and 70 million depending on what I get from these numbers.

ANA:37.42
BOS: 58.72
BUF: 37.235
CGY:33.61
CAR: 50.835
CHI: 58.015
COL: 37.295
CBJ: 45.955
DAL: 39.84
DET: 48.91
EDM: 45.765
FLA: 41.36
LAK: 52.055
MIN: 50.31
MTL: 34.03
NSH: 50.005
NJD: 46.155
NYI: 29.440
NYR: 30.415
OTT: 52.205
PHI: 54.34
PHX: 50.875
PIT: 53.215
SJS: 43.085
STL: 50.74
TBL: 45.935
TOR: 33.575
VAN: 44.48
WSH: 57.26
WPG: 47.43

I didn't look at who needs to be signed for each team, so before I set a cap I will need to look over it.

Only two teams are even near $60 million. I'll have between 27 and 37 million in cap space? :laugh:

What's the system? Top x one-way contracts?

x Tame Impala · Nov 19, 2013

Not sure how you're calculating cap. I hope this is kept in mind though...

Cap Geek

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

I went with all contracts in the NHL right now, and added a contract or two in the AHL (contracts that were for 80+ overall players).

Don't forget that some teams with little salary likely have a lot of expiring contracts.

xX Hot Fuss said:
Not sure how you're calculating cap. I hope this is kept in mind though...

Cap Geek

How will that help? There are a bunch of real-life factors that don't play into the league. Their numbers should not be relevant.

x Tame Impala · Nov 19, 2013

Your post is confusing, when i see NYR only has $30 mil in Cap tied up at the moment i'm not sure how relevant that is to anything.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 19, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
I went with all contracts in the NHL right now, and added a contract or two in the AHL (contracts that were for 80+ overall players).

Don't forget that some teams with little salary likely have a lot of expiring contracts.

How are you going to differentiate between players in the NHL and AHL for the offseason?

I know I've said this before, but it really seems to me that the easiest thing would be to calculate a number that includes all contracts--its easy to see simply by looking at the bottom of the contract screen.

Anything else might be workable for re-signing and free agency (though I'm not convinced), but it is going to be a train wreck to enforce going forward during the regular season (for trades, signings, etc.)

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

xX Hot Fuss said:
Your post is confusing, when i see NYR only has $30 mil in Cap tied up at the moment i'm not sure how relevant that is to anything.

Next year that is how much they have tied up in players.

Jack: Calculations will likely be made at the end of the offseason. It would be up to GMs to make sure they are not over the cap by the end of it. I may have to institute waivers so GMs don't bury guys in the minors to make their numbers look smaller than they actually are.

x Tame Impala · Nov 19, 2013

Waivers were shut off for a reason. Tons and tons of problems.

Just do projected cap (in a simmed cap league) + 9% every year and you avoid all these headaches

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

xX Hot Fuss said:
Waivers were shut off for a reason. Tons and tons of problems.

Just do projected cap (in a simmed cap league) + 9% every year and you avoid all these headaches

No you don't. You still have to make sure people follow the cap.

Deciding the salary cap is the easy part. Enforcing it and determining how you calculate a team's cap is the big problem.

And me enforcing waivers is a hell of a lot different than the league doing it automatically.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 19, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
Next year that is how much they have tied up in players.

Jack: Calculations will likely be made at the end of the offseason. It would be up to GMs to make sure they are not over the cap by the end of it. I may have to institute waivers so GMs don't bury guys in the minors to make their numbers look smaller than they actually are.

Well, like I said, you're the one who needs to enforce it, so if it makes sense to you, its fine with me.

I'm burying Erskine right now--but its only because he sucks. Even with him, I'm only at about $36 million.

EDIT: What do the numbers look like if we add all salary in the NHL and all salary in the system? Obviously we'd have to use a much larger figure for the cap if we include everything, but I'm just not seeing the clear disadvantage. Who cares if prospects count? Some of them have good contracts, some bad--just like everyone else.

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

It's between 14 million and 19(?) million in extra cap. That 5 million could be a huge difference.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 19, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
It's between 14 million and 19(?) million in extra cap. That 5 million could be a huge difference.

And why is that a bad thing?

I guess I'm just not understanding the basis for distinguishing between "bad" NHL contracts (which GMs have to deal with) and "bad" prospect contracts (which, under this system, don't count toward the cap).

ArGarBarGar · Nov 19, 2013

Because I don't see why a team should be punished for having more prospects than another team? Especially when prospects take so long to develop, you are just going to get teams no longer signing prospect contracts and being able to keep all their own players because the cap is high to account for those supposed contracts.

Malakian#13 · Nov 19, 2013

I would be happy to fill in as a temp for either St. Louis or Edmonton. Let me know if it would be alright and I'll send my join request tonight.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 19, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
Because I don't see why a team should be punished for having more prospects than another team? Especially when prospects take so long to develop, you are just going to get teams no longer signing prospect contracts and being able to keep all their own players because the cap is high to account for those supposed contracts.

There are no bonuses for new ELCs though, right? So the max any prospect will sign for is 975k.

I just don't see it as punishment, I guess. It seems like its a cost-benefit thing, just like NHL contracts. Obviously non-NHL contracts don't count toward the cap in real life, but there are any number of other things that set the game apart as well (no waivers, far lower money and shorter term on contracts, etc.). It just seems to me that a flat cap that includes all contracts is simplest, easiest to understand, and easiest to monitor and enforce. Obviously the cap will have to be higher than if we were only counting NHL contracts, or only one-way contracts, or only the top 20 contracts, or whatever, but I just can't really understand the argument for using any of those far more complicated, far more problematic alternatives.

We find a number that works, then determine the percentage by which it will increase every year. Presto: instant, rational, and predictable cap system.

ArGarBarGar · Nov 20, 2013

Malakian#13 said:
I would be happy to fill in as a temp for either St. Louis or Edmonton. Let me know if it would be alright and I'll send my join request tonight.

Edmonton is currently filled with a Temp, but you can play for St. Louis.

ArGarBarGar · Nov 20, 2013

Jack de la Hoya said:
There are no bonuses for new ELCs though, right? So the max any prospect will sign for is 975k.

I just don't see it as punishment, I guess. It seems like its a cost-benefit thing, just like NHL contracts. Obviously non-NHL contracts don't count toward the cap in real life, but there are any number of other things that set the game apart as well (no waivers, far lower money and shorter term on contracts, etc.). It just seems to me that a flat cap that includes all contracts is simplest, easiest to understand, and easiest to monitor and enforce. Obviously the cap will have to be higher than if we were only counting NHL contracts, or only one-way contracts, or only the top 20 contracts, or whatever, but I just can't really understand the argument for using any of those far more complicated, far more problematic alternatives.

We find a number that works, then determine the percentage by which it will increase every year. Presto: instant, rational, and predictable cap system.

I don't know, it doesn't seem very fair for teams that had to inherit a lot of contracts and now must pay a penalty for having more prospects in the first few years. This isn't like playing for a team with lots of talent and knowing that talent has a cost. There is no benefit for those teams, and now they will potentially lose out on good free agents because of it.

If someone can run the numbers (not forgetting goaltender contracts as well) for me while I'm at work, that would help.

Jack de la Hoya · Nov 20, 2013

ArGarBarGar said:
I don't know, it doesn't seem very fair for teams that had to inherit a lot of contracts and now must pay a penalty for having more prospects in the first few years. This isn't like playing for a team with lots of talent and knowing that talent has a cost. There is no benefit for those teams, and now they will potentially lose out on good free agents because of it.

How is that different from inheriting bad NHL contracts and having to deal with them? Obviously the players are usable, but the cost is much higher as well. If GMs actually find a prospect contract unbearable (and I'm hard pressed to think of many such cases--where an ELC includes all bonuses but the player is unusable), they can always trade the player.

ArGarBarGar · Nov 20, 2013

A bad contract can be traded and at least provide value even if overpaid. A useless prospect cannot.

Again, it would be nice to see the salary for all NHL teams as far as their current AHL contracts go. If there isn't a discernible difference then it could be a possibility.

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