Music: The Beatles, greatest "popular consensus" band of all time?

[kihei]

Zeppelin is said to have invented Heavy Metal. When it came out in 1969, it was original; close second, Iron Butterfly and Black Sabbath.

I'd give that honour to Black Sabbeth, hands down. I've never seen the logic of calling Led Zeppelin a heavy metal band in any way, shape or form.

 

[peate]

I'd give that honour to Black Sabbeth, hands down. I've never seen the logic of calling Led Zeppelin a heavy metal band in any way, shape or form.

I tend to agree, although Metal can mean so many things. Black Saabbath was all about death and witchcraft.

Zeppelin was rock and blues, not really metal, but heavy it certainly was.

 

[Aladyyn]

I think Black Sabbath is a good shout for 2nd given their influence and longevity/versatility

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Most successful, most influential. In terms of artistic realization, there are other bands and certain rap artists I prefer.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I'd give that honour to Black Sabbeth, hands down.

Well, before Sabbath, there was Helter Skelter.

 

[ORRFForever]

Zeppelin is said to have invented Heavy Metal. When it came out in 1969, it was original; close second, Iron Butterfly and Black Sabbath.

L.Z. didn't invent Heavy Metal, they perfected it.

 

[The Shadow]

Where would The Eagles and Beach Boys rank on all time band lists?

 

[peate]

L.Z. didn't invent Heavy Metal, they perfected it.

Curious, what would be the earliest song that would qualify as heavy metal?

Cream, Hendrix, not really heavy but close. Kinks? If they had the right gear, they had the right idea.
You really got me. 1964.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Curious, what would be the earliest song that would qualify as heavy metal?

Cream, Hendrix, not really heavy but close. Kinks? If they had the right gear, they had the right idea.
You really got me. 1964.

I don't consider this heavy metal at all tbh. The creators are Sabbath imo.

 

[peate]

Where would The Eagles and Beach Boys rank on all time band lists?

Eagles are overrated, only made it big when Joe Walsh joined. Catchy tunes and nice vocals. Beach Boys on the other hand are underrated, especially today. They just never got over Sgt.Pepper beating them out before they could release Pet Sounds.

 

[kook10]

people cite Blue Cheer as the first "metal".

 

[SlickHands]

Eagles are overrated, only made it big when Joe Walsh joined. Catchy tunes and nice vocals. Beach Boys on the other hand are underrated, especially today. They just never got over Sgt.Pepper beating them out before they could release Pet Sounds.

If anything the Beach Boys are very overrated. Pet Sounds is a great album, but I wouldn't bother listening to much of what they made before or after that.. and when you consider Pet Sounds was just Brian Wilson and a team of studio musicians, it's hard to say much about the "band" itself.

 

[kihei]

I love The Kinks. You Really Got Me is not heavy-metal; it is not next door to heavy metal; it is not in the vicinity of heavy metal; it's not within striking distance of heavy metal; it's not a stone's throw away from heavy metal. IT AIN'T HEAVY METAL.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I love The Kinks. You Really Got Me is not heavy-metal; it is not next door to heavy metal; it is not in the vicinity of heavy metal; it's not within striking distance of heavy metal; it's not a stone's throw away from heavy metal. IT AIN'T HEAVY METAL.

Love the Kinks too, probably the group I'd put at #2 (don't really care for all the other groups mentionned here). I don't think @peate meant that it WAS heavy metal, just that they were on track to get there, I get what he meant, pretty much agree.

 

[peate]

Love the Kinks too, probably the group I'd put at #2 (don't really care for all the other groups mentionned here). I don't think @peate meant that it WAS heavy metal, just that they were on track to get there, I get what he meant, pretty much agree.

I thought I was clear, you got it apparently. Give the Kinks Marshall stacks and 500,000 watts and they'll metal you to death, I certain of that. Van Halen re-did that song didn't they?

 

[kihei]

I thought I was clear, you got it apparently. Give the Kinks Marshall stacks and 500,000 watts and they'll metal you to death, I certain of that. Van Halen re-did that song didn't they?

Um, my case rests.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I thought I was clear, you got it apparently. Give the Kinks Marshall stacks and 500,000 watts and they'll metal you to death, I certain of that. Van Halen re-did that song didn't they?

Ahahahah, pretty much proves your point... Wish that guy could sing seriously.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Um, my case rests.

Ahahah, we posted the exact opposite at the same time. Nah, listen to that starting riff.

And.... you're no metal head!! Get out of here with all that jazz! ;-)

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

 

[peate]

I was never a big fan of male oriented acts when they got into the Van Halen type. I just used it to show that a song can be anything given the proper treatment. If Metallica or Iron Maiden did the song, would it be metal then? How about Slayer?

You can't label music that way, it's too subjective and prone to change. I just enjoy what I like and ignore the rest. Like here.

 

[peate]

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I was never a big fan of male oriented acts when they got into the Van Halen type. I just used it to show that a song can be anything given the proper treatment. If Metallica or Iron Maiden did the song, would it be metal then? How about Slayer?

You can't label music that way, it's too subjective and prone to change. I just enjoy what I like and ignore the rest. Like here.

Ahah, while I was posting it. This thread is picking my mood up. Should start a thread about fun covers.

 

[Lshap]

Where would The Eagles and Beach Boys rank on all time band lists?

If anything the Beach Boys are very overrated. Pet Sounds is a great album, but I wouldn't bother listening to much of what they made before or after that.. and when you consider Pet Sounds was just Brian Wilson and a team of studio musicians, it's hard to say much about the "band" itself.

Eagles are overrated, only made it big when Joe Walsh joined. Catchy tunes and nice vocals. Beach Boys on the other hand are underrated, especially today. They just never got over Sgt.Pepper beating them out before they could release Pet Sounds.

"Underrated" and "Overrated" are subjective terms. What's not subjective is that nobody else sounds like The Beach Boys. They're a stand-alone anomaly in music, partly because of Brian Wilson's unique songwriting and partly because the harmonies are too complex for most other bands. If 'unique' is a measure for greatness, I'd say the only other well-known band that reaches that level was Queen.

But okay... I'll say The Beach Boys were underrated among the general public, who don't hear much beyond the catchy tunes. On the other hand, musicians typically hold Brian Wilson up as one of music's rare genius, because we geek out over the arrangements and production.

Queen is in danger of becoming overrated because of Freddie's star power. Yeah, he's probably the best front-man of all time, but to me one guy's personality is not as important as the overall writing and performance of the group. Don't get me wrong -- by every measure Queen is great and unique, but their ranking has been propped up a little by Freddie's cult of personality.

The Eagles aren't near the top in any category, but they're consistently very, very good in all of them. Some really beautiful tunes and harmonies, and I happen to love Henley's voice. I'd say they're probably underrated, not because they deserve to be in the all-time-best list, but because they're unfairly dismissed as bland/pop/top-40. They're excellent writers and have some of the best group vocals around.

 

[peate]

The Eagles aren't near the top in any category, but they're consistently very, very good in all of them. Some really beautiful tunes and harmonies, and I happen to love Henley's voice. I'd say they're probably underrated, not because they deserve to be in the all-time-best list, but because they're unfairly dismissed as bland/pop/top-40. They're excellent writers and have some of the best group vocals around.

Listen to real early Linda Ronstadt right after the Stone Poneys. That was the birth of the Eagles.

Bands are like hockey teams, gotta have a few stars without too big an ego, and work together as a whole.

 

[Lshap]

I think I agree with most people on the #2 best band: Led Zeppelin. I was a kid when their stuff was new and I wasn't a fan, but they sound better and better as time goes by. Nothing gimmicky or dated about their music; their songs sound richer with age. And Robert Plant is among the top-5 all-time best front men.