The American Business of $ports

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  1. obsenssive*

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    .........only in america is sport considered "business first". in the rest of the world it's all about a social institution, and a heritage which you don't **** with. there's 1 team of 1 sport which matters to each community throughout the nation. its part of who each person is. sporting results mean almost nothing, because you can't abandon what is in essence family. you love family unconditionally because it makes you you.

    yet..... in america it's different. no where else does the "bandwagon fan" literally make the difference between a "franchise" existing or not. the result? weak cultural meaning which is never set in stone like in europe and the rest of the world, but which is constantly fluid, at the mercy of pure vanity. loyalty doesn't exist in American sporting culture, because it is as easy to jump on as it is to jump off when people face social EMBARRASSMENT FOR BEING LOYAL TO A BAD TEAM. In europe they stay loyal to a team if they've been in division 1 since 1925 and never even dream of winning anything significant BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR BLOOD.

    and yet there's more, it's nothing but a giant business. the marketing department of the NFL is bigger than La Liga's, bundesliga's, the premiership's, AND ligue 1's combined.

    and what do those american marketing genius' do? why they attempt to degrade the intelligence of the demographic by enticing viewership and material support with ****ING DISTRACTIONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SPORT.

    America's sporting culture is a corporate behemoth which is about as sincere and genuine as the "doctors endorsed" smoking ads of the 50's.

    Why do I care? because America has been trying to ruin canada's sporting culture for 100 years now. hockey is canadian heritage which has been perverted for american corporate interests and while scoffing at the canadian public.

    I know it's nobody here's fault, and I certainly don't blame the average american, however every time an american uses the phrase "that market is underserved, they should get an ___ team" I hope you understand you are shilling for greed and not for heart.
     
  2. SniperHF

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    Care of offer any proof? Or just ramblings?

    Exhibit A:

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    Lotta heritage here not being ****ed with eh? Yep NO WHERE IN THE WORLD do people put business above tradition. That's a Soccer club that's been in existence since 1905; with a giant SAMSUNG logo on the front.

    I'd also suggest you look at College Sports in the US. Especially College football. Some of the most die hard fans around.

    Oh and by the way, one of the many problems with a market like Phoenix is getting die hard bred in blood fans of teams like the Yankees, Red Wings, Red Sox, Steelers, Cubs, etc to actually support and watch local teams. So obviously there are not nearly as many bandwagon fans as you seem to believe.

    If you are a Pirates fan and choose to root for the Rays too, yet still hope the Pirates succeed and turn it around then what is wrong with that? Does it do some great irreparable damage to sport around the world?

    Finally. Let's say you are right. How in the world does it hurt you what we are doing? Again assuming you are right, how does having stupid bandwagon jumping American fans in existence hurt Canadian hockey? How exactly has your experience been hurt? It's a free country and no one is stopping you from setting up the kind of league you think you want.
     
  3. Roughneck

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    Nothing says heritage and purity like the traditional jerseys of yore...

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    And if only I could find a good picture of a Skoda being parked in prime seats for the World Championships. Which I suppose does add to the heritage of the game because I remember playing on the outdoor rink with cars parked alongside it so maybe those Euro's are on to something.
     
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    And as for social instutution and heritage, ever since Celtic and Rangers started signing protestant and catholic players (respectively) the old traditions in soccer (no matter how ridiculous) died away. When young Everton fans started signing in the Liverpool youth program because the money/opportunity was better the traditions started dying away and so on and so forth.

    When teams like Man Utd and Chelsea and Arsenal became the most supported teams across England and the world (from the EPL) when they're not even the most supported teams in Manchester or London traditionally the heritage and aversion to bandwagoning isn't as strong as you think it is. The focus on business is bigger in soccer than ever (see: Qatar getting the World Cup). The days of teams getting built up from the youth ranks from players who grew up within sight of the stadium are long gone since promising players from lesser teams get picked up by the bigger ones because its money that makes the world go round.

    'I want to stay here because this was my favorite team growing up and the history and tradition are unmatched...unless of course Real Madrid or Chelsea want to drop off a giant bag of money.'
     
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    maybe that was true 10+ years ago in soccer. not anymore. pretty much everyother sports team jersey in the world is an advertising board as well.
     
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    Celtic has always been open to Protestant players and staff.

    Jock Stein was a Protestant, for instance.

    I find the fact that you are painting up the formerly institutionalised anti-Catholic sectarianism of Rangers and the general sectarianism surrounding the Old Firm as something admirable rather shocking, to be honest.
     
  7. He Lied to Mario

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    Is that why two different Ottawa football teams have folded? Because of great Canadian loyalty. The Rough Riders started in the 1870s and were losing boatloads of money in the early 80s when Alan Waters owned the team, he couldn't even sell it to anyone but a community group in 1987 which bled more money and then the Gliebermans and Bruce Firestone(Canadian by the way) and finally Horn Chen. The excuse was that the team hadn't had a winning record since 1979 IIRC. So much for loyalty.

    Then the Renegades come along with all Canadian ownership to start and mess things up so badly that they can't find anyone in Ottawa who wants to own the team and they sell it back to the Gliebermans, who of course get all the blame for the team folding again and they deserve a lot of the blame, but where was this great support before that point for a Canadian institution. So I guess the bandwagon fan had nothing to do with two Ottawa football franchises failing.

    Back to hockey, first of all have the decency to capitalize American and Canadian. We both live in great countries and have a right to be proud of that fact. Hockey in Canada was advertised and built by many corporate behemoths that you bemoan. The three stars of the game was a marketing gimmick for crying out loud. Esso sponsored the three stars of the game because they were selling 3 star gasoline and that was the hook. Bee Hive was offering hockey pictures so that kids would get their parents to buy more and more corn syrup. Corn syrup was advertised as the greatest thing for energy and a healthy lifestyle.
     
  8. Roughneck

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    Ah yes. Celtic have always been the more progressive of the two. :sarcasm:

    I'm more using the remorse of such silly traditions being tossed aside as a way to mock finding such traditions being admirable in the first place.
     
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    You need to be introduced to Chicago Cubs fans. Because they discredit everything you just said.
     
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    I'm a Nordiques fan even if they don't exist since 1995.
     
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    America has a lot of sporting based on tradition, or Cubs fans wouldn't show up in huge numbers every year. Take a look at college sports as well- some of the most die-hard, "Europe"-esque experiences you'll ever get (Europe in quotations because that kind of die-hard support isn't limited to the soccer pitch).
     
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    Sigh, I hate when people use jersey ads as "proof" that European leagues are all about money. Do you have any idea how unprofitable European soccer clubs are? Virtually all of them, including big ones like Man U (£83.6m last year) and Barcelona, lose money. Jersey sponsorship is just a way to increase revenue.

    The simple fact is the European model is and will be far more community oriented than the franchise model.
     
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    Pretty sure Canadian sports are run the exact same way as American sports, chief.

    European sports may be run differently, but how is that in any way relevant to the point you were trying to make?

    Take your Canadian nationalism to the politics board.
     
  14. Roughneck

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    Its the idea that the Euros don't do anything that takes away from the sport. They have plenty and find new ways all the time. The only reason it hasn't taken off in NA is oddly enough, because of the worry it will take too much away from the tradition of the sport.

    The European model indeed can be more community oriented, and traditionally that is undeniably the case. But is a club in Manchester owned by Americans who use it as a way to deal with their own personal debt really more community oriented than, say, the Flames or Oilers who have local owners even if the model is more favourable to the former? The community aspect started dying away when worldwide businessmen decided they could use these teams as their own investment (Glazer with Man Utd, Hicks with Liverpool) or play thing (Abramovic and Chelsea, whoever and Man City) and when clubs realized that being a worldwide draw was better than just being limited to the part of whatever city you were in.

    Just like in NA, the business side has won out in Europe, regardless of what the traditional model has been. The NFL is just the league that has been more successful than everyone else.
     
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    This.

    Really, the only major difference between NA and European sports is that Europeans tend to believe that sports teams should be public services responsible to the entire community's wishes.

    Whereas here in North America, we realize that ultimately, it is the owners of the team who have 100% control of sports clubs and while working with the community may be good for business, it is in the end the property of the owners themselves and they can do whatever the hell they want, such as relocate the team half way across the continent.

    The other major difference is how the leagues in Europe themselves operate. You aren't going to move a soccer club from England to France because that would mean you would have to start all the way at the bottom of the French ladder of leagues. This is why relocation doesn't happen often in Europe.
     
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    This thread can't seem to get beyond regional/sterotype bashing

    Closed.
     
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