GDT: The Amazing Schneiderman Returns! ECQF Game 3 - Lightning @ Devils, 7:30 PM, MSG+

[New Jersey]

Secretly hoping we win like 4-2 with both TB goals being Lovejoy blunders, just because total hilarity would ensue around here.

 

[My3Sons]

Said this in the GDT(our GDT) on the main board and I'll say it here :


It's a real head-scratcher that Bratt isn't in while Stafford is. I don't get it.
I mean....I understand that Hynes wants to win and everything but with the Devils being in the situation they are in, isn't it a better idea to put your OTHER *young* player(that has shown success during the regular season) out there in games that he can gain invaluable experience(at only 19 years of age!) going forward?

My guess is that to Hynes playing Bratt signifies the team is throwing in the towel and just playing to give young guys experience. At least he can argue that STAFFORD is a been there done that guy similar to Lovejoy even if neither player is really going to have a bigger impact than the unproven younger player might have.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Lovejoy still being in is evidence that this staff is ****ing clueless.

The fact that you're crapping on this staff and that same crew was able to go from bottom 5 in the league to the postseason leads me to believe that you're f***ing clueless more so then our staff.

What do you bring to this board... outside of complaining all the time?

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

My guess is that to Hynes playing Bratt signifies the team is throwing in the towel and just playing to give young guys experience. At least he can argue that STAFFORD is a been there done that guy similar to Lovejoy even if neither player is really going to have a bigger impact than the unproven younger player might have.

It boggles my mind that several posters aren't aware that any HC in pro sports will go with a veteran over a rookie when games are on the line.

 

[glenwo2]

My guess is that to Hynes playing Bratt signifies the team is throwing in the towel and just playing to give young guys experience. At least he can argue that STAFFORD is a been there done that guy similar to Lovejoy even if neither player is really going to have a bigger impact than the unproven younger player might have.

Even after playing so well during the season....if that's what he believes, then why play Bratt at all then?

Makes no sense whatsoever. Bratt is NOT HAYES!!!

Bratt can HELP. But he can't do anything if he's chained to the Healthy-Scratch bench!!

I will be so pissed with Hynes if Bratt doesn't get even one minute of Ice time this postseason.

 

[glenwo2]

It boggles my mind that several posters aren't aware that any HC in pro sports will go with a veteran over a rookie when games are on the line.

It boggles MY mind that any HC would put in someone that was next-to-useless(despite being a "veteran") all season long over a player who actually CONTRIBUTED to the team's success(Bratt) and not just hung on and rode its coattails(Stafford)!!

If Hynes reasoning is what you said, then he's a friggin' moron of the highest order and I hope he gets canned for this.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Playing Stafford signifies throwing in the towel. It signifies trying to grind it out and muck it up instead of using speed to get around a kind of slow defense outside of Hedman and McDonagh.

Hynes' dinosaur way of thinking will get us swept.

yay veteran presence! The vets have been some of the most useless piles of shit this serise and have been a big reason we have lost.

But yea, lets keep trotting them out their over more skilled better skating players.

 

[glenwo2]

@Cult of Hynes , preach.

A Veteran that does NOTHING to contribute to a team's success should NOT be put into the lineup just 'cause of tenure.

 

[My3Sons]

It boggles my mind that several posters aren't aware that any HC in pro sports will go with a veteran over a rookie when games are on the line.

I don’t think it’s that so much as realizing this is a bit of an anomaly. NJ did better than expected and has these postseason games where even if they get past TB who really sees them going any further? Accordingly, these games offer a rare development opportunity. That coupled with at least the possibility of the younger more skilled player actually using that skill is enough to tantalize fans. If it was me, my lineup has MarJo and Bratt on the 4th line with Coleman. Bench Boyle and play Gibbons or Grabner at 3LW. On defense I’d play Mueller with Sevs and Santini over Lovejoy at 3RD. If Santini actually hits a TB player and knocks him down without penalty at home the crowd would get more into it and maybe just maybe the TB players on that side of the ice have to at least think a bit about venturing close to the crease there.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Win plz

 

[My3Sons]

Even after playing so well during the season....if that's what he believes, then why play Bratt at all then?

Makes no sense whatsoever. Bratt is NOT HAYES!!!

Bratt can HELP. But he can't do anything if he's chained to the Healthy-Scratch bench!!

I will be so pissed with Hynes if Bratt doesn't get even one minute of Ice time this postseason.

It’s the optics to the other vets in the room.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

It boggles MY mind that any HC would put in someone that was next-to-useless(despite being a "veteran") all season long over a player who actually CONTRIBUTED to the team's success(Bratt) and not just hung on and rode its coattails(Stafford)!!

If Hynes reasoning is what you said, then he's a friggin' moron of the highest order and I hope he gets canned for this.

Yeah, cause Jacques Lemaire never prioritized a veteran over a rookie, or Burns, or Robinson, or....

How long have you been watching hockey? If you think it's a "Hynes thing", then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[glenwo2]

It’s the optics to the other vets in the room.

Who gives a rat's ass about "optics"??

I thought Hynes was the Head Coach here?

Plus, you play the ones who give your team the best chance to win.

And from what I saw all season long in comparison....

Bratt gives the team the best option to win than Stafford who does NOTHING.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

I don’t think it’s that so much as realizing this is a bit of an anomaly. NJ did better than expected and has these postseason games where even if they get past TB who really sees them going any further? Accordingly, these games offer a rare development opportunity. That coupled with at least the possibility of the younger more skilled player actually using that skill is enough to tantalize fans. If it was me, my lineup has MarJo and Bratt on the 4th line with Coleman. Bench Boyle and play Gibbons or Grabner at 3LW. On defense I’d play Mueller with Sevs and Santini over Lovejoy at 3RD. If Santini actually hits a TB player and knocks him down without penalty at home the crowd would get more into it and maybe just maybe the TB players on that side of the ice have to at least think a bit about venturing close to the crease there.

That would be a complete train wreck and Hynes's job isn't to groom 19 year olds... it's to win as many games as possible.

You don't ice a roster with 5 or 6 rookies in the postseason versus the #1 seed. We looked like a deer in headlights for the first 5 periods cause none of our players played on such a stage and adding more inexperience would've been even worst.

 

[Whaddagoal]

I definitely feel like we're grasping for straws here.

Grabner out for Mojo, and Gibbons out for Stafford isn't a really worth arguing over. We're better with Mojo in for Grabner and a net even with Stafford in for Gibbons. What has Gibbons done lately exactly thats worthy of trashing Stafford for?

I know theres a lot of hate on this board for Stafford (which i disagree with), but he is not a pile of trash. Don't forget the west coast trip, where the came out on top and he was definitely playing well for his expectations and generating chances. Just snakebitten to core for his own points sake, but not bad in tail end of regular season.

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, cause Jacques Lemaire never prioritized a veteran over a rookie, or Burns, or Robinson, or....

How long have you been watching hockey? If you think it's a "Hynes thing", then I don't know what to tell you.

Don't get snarky with me, TH.

That type of question is baiting.


Stafford HAS been useless while Bratt HAS been useful.

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Bratt is absolutely stupid.


I would be VERY surprised if Stafford did *something* positive tonight aside from just being non-descript out there like he has been.

 

[My3Sons]

Who gives a rat's ass about "optics"??

I thought Hynes was the Head Coach here?

Plus, you play the ones who give your team the best chance to win.

And from what I saw all season long in comparison....

Bratt gives the team the best option to win than Stafford who does NOTHING.

Optics play a role in almost any public decision. People in responsible positions in any publicly scrutinized organizations pay attention to them. For better or worse, it's part of our current media culture where negative reporting and waiting for "gotcha" moments is the order of the day.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Bratt is absolutely stupid.

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Gibbons is absolutely stupid.

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Grabner is mildly stupid.

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Bratt is somewhat unreasonable.

 

[glenwo2]

Optics play a role in almost any public decision. People in responsible positions in any publicly scrutinized organizations pay attention to them. For better or worse, it's part of our current media culture where negative reporting and waiting for "gotcha" moments is the order of the day.

So WHEN the Devils lose due to not scoring enough or making enough plays(and Stafford once again being INVISIBLE), then we can all say "gotcha", then?

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Don't get snarky with me, TH.

Just 'cause you don't like my opinion, doesn't give you or anyone else the right to lambast me for something that is a very valid point. Stafford HAS been useless while Bratt HAS been useFUL.

I think Hynes playing Stafford over Bratt is absolutely stupid.

Sir, yes Sir!

Whatever you think is irrelevant and you write in CAPS all day long, it won't change a thing. Again, you don't ice rookies on top of rookies just because... especially not in the postseason.

It's something you see from every single head coach in the league so I guess they're all out to lunch?

Whatever happend to having confidence in a guy that brought us this far instead of trying to act like the smartest hockey mind on earth... while eating a baloney sandwich watching Judge Judy.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Pretty obvious why they did it. With Mojo back, they don’t feel their is another top 6 spot open right now and they stick Stafford is a better bottom 6 option then Bratt. They aren’t wrong as Bratt’s game is not suited for a fourth line role at all.

I would have put Gibbons back in for Stafford though.

 

[glenwo2]

Sir, yes Sir!

Whatever you think is irrelevant and you write in CAPS all day long, it won't change a thing. Again, you don't ice rookies on top of rookies just because... especially not in the postseason.

It's something you see from every single head coach in the league so I guess they're all out to lunch?

If they put on the ice SOMEONE who is useless while keeping someone, who could help the team, on the Bench?

YES. Then they're "out to lunch", so to speak.

 

[glenwo2]

Pretty obvious why they did it. With Mojo back, they don’t feel their is another top 6 spot open right now and they stick Stafford is a better bottom 6 option then Bratt. They aren’t wrong as Bratt’s game is not suited for a fourth line role at all.

I would have put Gibbons back in for Stafford though.

So Bratt is going to ride the pine tonight and in Game 4 , is what you're telling me...

great. That will do wonders for his development.....

A rare opportunity to get him some invaluable playoff experience....flushed down the toilet for Stafford.

(btw, lost in all this is that Stafford isn't going to be here next season. I think @Bleedred mentioned this)

 

[My3Sons]

That would be a complete train wreck and Hynes's job isn't to groom 19 year olds... it's to win as many games as possible.

You don't ice a roster with 5 or 6 rookies in the postseason versus the #1 seed. We looked like a deer in headlights for the first 5 periods cause none of our players played on such a stage and adding more inexperience would've been even worst.

OK, our opinions differ. I don't see playing Bratt at 4RW is a "grooming" move. I think he has skill and playing on a line with MarJo and Coleman might actually do something in the O zone at home where the staff can get them a matchup against TB's fourth line. I don't see anything on the ice that Lovejoy does that Santini can't do at RD3. Coleman is already playing as is MarJo. The only move up front I advocate is sitting Boyle and on defense it's sitting Moore and Lovejoy. I think the players I'm suggesting can actually bring something to the table that might help the team win. At the end of the day, Hall, Zajac, Palms, Vats, Greene, and the goalie have to make the difference. If the team needs anything from the scrubby vets at the bottom of the roster the game is lost already. You hope that young players can find some success, and both Bratt and Santini have had some in the regular season and give me some belief that they can offer more than the broken down old men they replace. Also, I'm not going to go looking, but my guess is that some teams with 5 or 6 rookies have had good series at some point. How about Boston this year? Don't they have a bunch also? Their vets are way ahead of ours and that's the real issue. I'm not a huge Hynes fan but his options are limited here and he chose to go with the double down on the old vets routine which I get but disagree with. Again, it's likely as much optics as strategy.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

If they put on the ice SOMEONE who is useless while keeping someone, who could help the team, on the Bench?

YES. Then they're "out to lunch", so to speak.

You should apply for a Head coaching job then... you seem to have all the answers.

All of this nonsense for a guy who'll be playing less then 10 minutes