MonahanTheMan
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The Oilers are really not that much worse than us, and if anything, counting Oiler time would only serve to make him look better, given his QoC was probably higher there than it has been here.
The All-Purpose Sven Baertschi Thread/ Sven Hype Train Re-launch
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The Oilers are really not that much worse than us, and if anything, counting Oiler time would only serve to make him look better, given his QoC was probably higher there than it has been here.
ReNeGaDe87
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TheHudlinator
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MonahanTheMan
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That's what I'm saying, but what specifically do you mean when you say used differently?
TheHudlinator
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He played against harder players, in a different system, with different partners. You can't just say his numbers would be about the same.
MonahanTheMan
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You can't just assert that without having specific examples of how he was used differently and how that distorts his Corsi, offensive zone matrices, and QoC. To continue, given that I already stated that since he was played against harder players in Edmonton his QoC is probably worse than BehindtheNet makes it out to be, the only thing playing in Edmonton would have a negative impact upon is Corsi. However, Edmonton and Calgary each average 28 SOG per game, and Edmonton averages 30 SA while Calgary averages 30.3. Since we don't have Corsi stats for Smid's time alone in Calgary, this is our best way of discerning what the average difference in Corsi would be between Edmonton and Calgary, and we can see that Edmonton gets outshot just about as much as Calgary does - they even have a bit of an advantage. Trying to say that Corsi is significantly distorted by his time in Edmonton is an uphill battle because both teams are outshot by about the same margin each game. This is not a perfect way to analyse this problem, but it is better than conjecture.
Furthermore, Smid is the second-worst on the team in Corsi, so even if being in Edmonton had an impact, it's tough to say he would be a star defensive player here anyways. He would probably still be bad.
Last, just look at the way he plays. It's not great defense. He pinches on occasion, and he blocks shots, but he's no Brodie.
King In The North
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TheHudlinator
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If you don't think that playing on a different team is going effect your advanced stats than there isn't really any point in arguing
MonahanTheMan
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Did you read my post? I conceded that it would affect advanced stats, but just that Calgary and Edmonton are similar enough teams in the categories that affect those stats that the effect is negligible. If we were talking about something like going from Toronto to Calgary, then yes, there would be a big difference. But Edmonton and Calgary are really similar in the attributes that allow us to calculate Corsi.
TheHudlinator
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I don't think you can because he has played so many more games in Edmonton than in Calgary even if he was doing well here it wouldn't show in his advanced stats until the sample was much larger. Right now all we can see is his Edmonton numbers skewed towards his Calgary numbers.
Pirate King Luffy
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This is funny. I am having a blast reading these posts 
Feaster was looking for a dman even before Gio went done. Smid plays a hard game. Sure Smid isn't playing as good as he can but he is what we need. If we didn't have Smid our Defence would be abysmal beyond belief...it would be considered an Ahl teams defence. Horak was expendable, he was getting passed in the depth chart. Same with Brossoit, we have Ortio and Gilles already so when you have an opportunity to acquire something you need that is not short term you trade for... Smid is 27 and still had a lot years left in him.
As for Sven. I would like him to play, but obviously there is something Baerstchi is lacking. Hartley is a great coach and knows more than self appointed GMs/Coaches. Hartley knows Baertschi can play better and if he believes other can do better jobs instead of others than I'm all for it. Sometimes you need to observe from a distance to get a better a idea on what to work on.
No offence to anyone, but some of you have to think twice about what you are saying and posting. I like you all but some of you are just questionable.
Feaster was looking for a dman even before Gio went done. Smid plays a hard game. Sure Smid isn't playing as good as he can but he is what we need. If we didn't have Smid our Defence would be abysmal beyond belief...it would be considered an Ahl teams defence. Horak was expendable, he was getting passed in the depth chart. Same with Brossoit, we have Ortio and Gilles already so when you have an opportunity to acquire something you need that is not short term you trade for... Smid is 27 and still had a lot years left in him.
As for Sven. I would like him to play, but obviously there is something Baerstchi is lacking. Hartley is a great coach and knows more than self appointed GMs/Coaches. Hartley knows Baertschi can play better and if he believes other can do better jobs instead of others than I'm all for it. Sometimes you need to observe from a distance to get a better a idea on what to work on.
No offence to anyone, but some of you have to think twice about what you are saying and posting. I like you all but some of you are just questionable.
Lunatik
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that would have been declined in NHL 14 too.
Please don't encourage that, it just makes all Flames fans look bad.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
It's part of the rebuild. Don't worry about the fanbase's credibility now; the priority is to make sure that all of our posters are properly developed and have learned all their requisite lessons by the time we are ready to be a credible team again.
Lunatik
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Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
True, there's something to be said about not airing our dirty laundry in public.
SmellOfVictory
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True dat. Honestly, aside from the occasional outlier, I'm a big fan of the fact that the Flames fans on HFBoards tend to lean more to the reasonable/sophisticated side of things.
MonahanTheMan
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I am not one to talk, but it probably has something to do with the fact that the Flames are not attracting many new fans right now by sitting so predominantly in the league's basement. Less posters = more discussion with limited amounts of posters = more knowledgeable posters. I for certain have noticed that the quality of and knowledge base of the regulars here is far above what you see on boards for more popular teams.
Pirate King Luffy
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MonahanTheMan
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That's what I'm saying. We have fewer fans here, so each person discusses more and as a result the regulars become pretty damn knowledgeable about what they're talking about. When I showed up here, I definitely got ripped a new one for not knowing what I was talking about. Now, simply by posting here often and listening to what other users have to say, while I obviously still have a lot of opinions that make others facepalm, I seem to have regained some sort of credibility with the other members because I am at least a little more knowledgeable on the things I discuss on this board.
King In The North
Sean Bennett
Hartley in a Swiss interview, on Berra, Baertschi, consistency. From Reddit, credit to /u/ho-tdog:
Why is it so difficult to bring the Flames back to the top?
In the NHL, a rebuild takes much longer. [Compared to the Swiss league] There are not many free agents and you cannot make a difference with foreigners. [He refers to a rule in the Swiss league, where every team must not play with more than 4 foreigners. This is to strengthen the Swiss players.] You have to work with early draft-picks and let those players mature. I hoped, success would come earlier but I think, we're on the right track.
Berra started the season in the farmteam. Why?
He has never played in North America before. He had to acclimatize himself to the smaller rink and the different system. And now he's doing a great job. Reto is a proud man with a great attitude towards work. He earned himself his position.
You have been a goalie yourself. What does he have to do to become a permanent number one goaltender?
Constancy - he must not get any cheap goals. You have to see: He's not 19 anymore but he's still a rookie. That's why we have to work intensively with him. He has to get to know the forwards of the other teams and he has to adjust his position in the goal. Additionally, he has to use his stick more often.
Sven Bärtschi on the other hand, had to take harsh words from Brian Burke before the start of the season. Did he need that?
He's a completely different player than Reto - much younger, still a baby. Players like him need time to unfold their whole potential. At the moment, we try to teach him the game with pros. He has to grow in his role. There are many players who played three years in the AHL before they had what they needed for the NHL.
Several times he had to watch a game instead of playing. Was he too confident of himself?
No, that's just part of the process. Sometimes people don't get that. In Calgary, you get the feeling, it was the end of the world, when he doesn't play. But if Reto for example would be his age, his situation would also be much more difficult. I think, Sven does a good job.
As an important Flames-talent, he's probably feeling the expectations of the fans and the media.
You have to give yourself your own pressure. Everything that comes from outside, cannot be influenced anyway. So you shouldn't worry about that.
How good can he become?
I think, he's going to be a great forward. He has everything, he needs: technique, a clear view, and a good shot. He's going to mature and get physically stronger. I'm not worried about him. He's going to have a great career.
Ho-tdog has more from the interview, but not necessarily concerning Calgary or the players. Should contact him if you want more.
Sheds some light on Hartley's view on Sven.
Why is it so difficult to bring the Flames back to the top?
In the NHL, a rebuild takes much longer. [Compared to the Swiss league] There are not many free agents and you cannot make a difference with foreigners. [He refers to a rule in the Swiss league, where every team must not play with more than 4 foreigners. This is to strengthen the Swiss players.] You have to work with early draft-picks and let those players mature. I hoped, success would come earlier but I think, we're on the right track.
Berra started the season in the farmteam. Why?
He has never played in North America before. He had to acclimatize himself to the smaller rink and the different system. And now he's doing a great job. Reto is a proud man with a great attitude towards work. He earned himself his position.
You have been a goalie yourself. What does he have to do to become a permanent number one goaltender?
Constancy - he must not get any cheap goals. You have to see: He's not 19 anymore but he's still a rookie. That's why we have to work intensively with him. He has to get to know the forwards of the other teams and he has to adjust his position in the goal. Additionally, he has to use his stick more often.
Sven Bärtschi on the other hand, had to take harsh words from Brian Burke before the start of the season. Did he need that?
He's a completely different player than Reto - much younger, still a baby. Players like him need time to unfold their whole potential. At the moment, we try to teach him the game with pros. He has to grow in his role. There are many players who played three years in the AHL before they had what they needed for the NHL.
Several times he had to watch a game instead of playing. Was he too confident of himself?
No, that's just part of the process. Sometimes people don't get that. In Calgary, you get the feeling, it was the end of the world, when he doesn't play. But if Reto for example would be his age, his situation would also be much more difficult. I think, Sven does a good job.
As an important Flames-talent, he's probably feeling the expectations of the fans and the media.
You have to give yourself your own pressure. Everything that comes from outside, cannot be influenced anyway. So you shouldn't worry about that.
How good can he become?
I think, he's going to be a great forward. He has everything, he needs: technique, a clear view, and a good shot. He's going to mature and get physically stronger. I'm not worried about him. He's going to have a great career.
Ho-tdog has more from the interview, but not necessarily concerning Calgary or the players. Should contact him if you want more.
Sheds some light on Hartley's view on Sven.
All that article does is show that Heartley is nothing really special and doesn't like to take risks. He puts players out until they make a mistake and then benches them until the replacements make mistakes. That is definitely not a good coaching strategy.
SmellOfVictory
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Awesome. That was a pleasing interview to read. It always feels more trustworthy to me when the interviews are in other countries/languages, because there's (perceived) lower risk that the interviewee is just trying to "say the right things" for local media.
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