The All-Purpose Sven Baertschi Thread/ Sven Hype Train Re-launch

JulianHopper*

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Tell me more about how this team was expected to make the playoffs.

Playoff chances seem to be slipping away but it's becoming clear that this isn't a well managed team. But with Brian Burke here now one can remain optimistic.

-The handling of Baertschi
-The trade for Smid

Couple examples right there.
 

Hand of Gaudreau

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That's the thing, would he have picked Monahan had the Flames picked a couple spots higher?

I think the Flames were looking at Elias Lindholm after Jonathan Drouin and Aleksander Barkov.

I believe the Flames were thinking that Nathan MacKinnon would still be available.

Lol, all 32 of your posts have been pure gold. I think we may just have found our new Player/Coach/Manager/Captain. The fact is the Flames picked where they picked. Saying you think they would have picked someone else at a higher position, especially with no reason to believe one way or the other is ridiculous. I'm with you, if the Flames picked first I bet they take MacKinnon. Hell if Jones dropped 2 more spots, they'd probably take him, and I would have been ecstatic. But that wasn't the scenario, and in the scenario that happened they knocked the pick out of the park.
 

Volica

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Playoff chances seem to be slipping away but it's becoming clear that this isn't a well managed team. But with Brian Burke here now one can remain optimistic.

-The handling of Baertschi
-The trade for Smid

Couple examples right there.

I'm okay with riding Sven hard; if he deserves it.
I like the Smid trade. You trade a goalie that is 6th on your depth chart, and a center that cannot crack your NHL lineup... for a very solid D-man who can log some minutes, play physical and is a second pairing guy straight up.
 

InfinityIggy

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Playoff chances seem to be slipping away but it's becoming clear that this isn't a well managed team. But with Brian Burke here now one can remain optimistic.

-The handling of Baertschi
-The trade for Smid

Couple examples right there.

How is trading for Smid an example of poor team management? This should be gold.
 

Ashasx

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How is trading for Smid an example of poor team management? This should be gold.

Smid really has not been good for us.

I think the ultimate value is in our favour, but it looks like Smid was traded for a reason.
 

Hand of Gaudreau

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Smid really has not been good for us.

I think the ultimate value is in our favour, but it looks like Smid was traded for a reason.

He is coming into a completely different system, with a group of defense, that don't even know how to play it. Not really a good situation to succeed in. I haven't minded his play.
 

InfinityIggy

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Smid really has not been good for us.

I think the ultimate value is in our favour, but it looks like Smid was traded for a reason.

Nothing to do with my question but ill bite.

Smid has been alright so far, not as well as I had hope but he has been far from "not good" IMO. Hes playing his role and we more or less got exactly what we expected. You also have to keep in mind he has been expected to play a bigger role than what we wanted him for, with Gio and Wideman out.
 

MonahanTheMan

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Smid really has not been good for us.

I think the ultimate value is in our favour, but it looks like Smid was traded for a reason.

Smid was traded to clear up room so the Oilers could get Bryzgalov, it wasn't like he was their Butler or something. But I agree that he has not been that good. I didn't like the trade from the start given that really the only thing he does is block shots, and that's about what I've seen from him in Calgary.
 

MonahanTheMan

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He was. So they could sign Bryzgalov.

Smid has done what he was expected to. Block shots and play hard. Nothing more.

Personally I just wonder why we went after Smid when we could've called up someone from Abbotsford and we already have Butler on the team, who does the exact same stuff Smid does with more offense.
 

Hand of Gaudreau

Gaudreaubey Baker
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Personally I just wonder why we went after Smid when we could've called up someone from Abbotsford and we already have Butler on the team, who does the exact same stuff Smid does with more offense.

Because you're assuming the Heat have someone that can do what Smid does, as well as Smid does it. He plays tough minutes, and plays hard against his opponents. He does what he does very, very well.
 

JulianHopper*

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How is trading for Smid an example of poor team management? This should be gold.

Ladislav Smid is okay, he's a 3rd pairing defenseman.

Joey Macdonald gone already this year and the couple from last season they probably should have kept Laurent Brossoit for that reason alone.

Will Berra and Ramo be the Flames goalies by the end of the season? I like them both but with the way the Flames have been going through goalies that remains to be seen.
 

MonahanTheMan

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Because you're assuming the Heat have someone that can do what Smid does, as well as Smid does it. He plays tough minutes, and plays hard against his opponents. He does what he does very, very well.

Personally I would've rather had Breen stay in the lineup, and told him to hit everything he could every time he had a shift, but that's just me, I like a multi-faceted defense.
 

Hand of Gaudreau

Gaudreaubey Baker
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Ladislav Smid is okay, he's a 3rd pairing defenseman.

Joey Macdonald gone already this year and the couple from last season they probably should have kept Laurent Brossoit for that reason alone.

Will Berra and Ramo be the Flames goalies by the end of the season? I like them both but with the way the Flames have been going through goalies that remains to be seen.

Goodness me, the way you go through thoughts is incredible. Every single thing remains to be seen. Laurent Brossoit was one of the most expendable assets the Flames owned. He had no value here, but to the Oilers, who covet Oil Kings Alumni, he had great value. That IMO, was fantastic asset management.
 

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Personally I would've rather had Breen stay in the lineup, and told him to hit everything he could every time he had a shift, but that's just me, I like a multi-faceted defense.

That would not be great coaching. Breen at this stage in his career is not better than Smid, and telling him to go out and just hit, instead of learning how to play defense is just poor coaching. I like your definition of multi-faceted though, a guy whose only job is to hit everything he can.
 

Bounces R Way

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Smid has been one of our better players without the puck. Flames desperately needed a guy who engages in front of our net, pins players to the boards, blocks shots, and is always in front of the other team. He is your quintessential #4 Dman/PK specialist. Butler is similar yes, and has been miles better this year, but I've never seen the same grit off him.. not to mention his turnovers. Smid at least gets the puck out.
 

MonahanTheMan

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That would not be great coaching. Breen at this stage in his career is not better than Smid, and telling him to go out and just hit, instead of learning how to play defense is just poor coaching. I like your definition of multi-faceted though, a guy whose only job is to hit everything he can.

So are you a machine with no personality at all, or just really autistic and can't pick up linguistic subtleties, or what? Clearly I would not tell him to literally go out and hit everything on the ice, but what I would do is tell him to provide a physical force, land hits, and use his size aggressively whenever possible. That's why he's in the organization, so let's start utilising that now, rather than later.

Furthermore, Smid plays defense pretty poorly anyways, all he does is block shots, so your post is flawed on multiple levels.
 

InfinityIggy

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Ladislav Smid is okay, he's a 3rd pairing defenseman.

Joey Macdonald gone already this year and the couple from last season they probably should have kept Laurent Brossoit for that reason alone.

Will Berra and Ramo be the Flames goalies by the end of the season? I like them both but with the way the Flames have been going through goalies that remains to be seen.

I dont see any relation between the bolded.

Yes Berra and Ramo will be our goalies at the end of the season.
 

InfinityIggy

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So are you a machine with no personality at all, or just really autistic and can't pick up linguistic subtleties, or what? Clearly I would not tell him to literally go out and hit everything on the ice, but what I would do is tell him to provide a physical force, land hits, and use his size aggressively whenever possible. That's why he's in the organization, so let's start utilising that now, rather than later.

Furthermore, Smid plays defense pretty poorly anyways, all he does is block shots, so your post is flawed on multiple levels.

This is simply untrue.
 

herashak

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baert hasnt really forced hartley to play him besides a couple games. sitting every once in a while isnt all that bad
 

MonahanTheMan

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This is simply untrue.

Smid's on-ice Corsi is the second-worst amongst Flames with at least ten games. Furthermore, Smid has the third-easiest Quality of Competition amongst Flames defense, putting him right in the middle of the pack and eliminating excuses about hard minutes. Although Smid sees a positive increase in offensive zone finishes vs. offensive zone starts, this is probably attributed to his ability to simply dump the puck out, rather than his ability to make hard plays like Brodie does. Last, even without all of the stats, one can simply watch Smid play the game and see that he is really not very good defensively and makes poor plays when caught in his own zone. This was the way it was in Edmonton as well.
 

TheHudlinator

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Smid's on-ice Corsi is the second-worst amongst Flames with at least ten games. Furthermore, Smid has the third-easiest Quality of Competition amongst Flames defense, putting him right in the middle of the pack and eliminating excuses about hard minutes. Although Smid sees a positive increase in offensive zone starts vs. offensive zone finishes, this is probably attributed to his ability to simply dump the puck out, rather than his ability to make hard plays like Brodie does. Last, even without all of the stats, one can simply watch Smid play the game and see that he is really not very good defensively and makes poor plays when caught in his own zone. This was the way it was in Edmonton as well.

Doesn't behindthenet count year totals? If so then it is all screwed by his Oiler time.
 

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