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CAN WE GET A SPRONG THREAD I WANNA READ SBOUT TRADES N SHIET
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CAN WE GET A SPRONG THREAD I WANNA READ SBOUT TRADES N SHIET
again, there are VERY few people here who don't want him to get that chance. I don't think many people would be proven wrong if he does well in that situation.
Enough man. You know they broke in on the 4th line just as Sprong has to. They got expanded roles when they started scoring.
I really only see Emp writing him off.I'm not talking about people wanting him to get the chance here though.
I wanna know who'll commit to writing him off, because there's a lot of **** talkers right now haha.
I really only see Emp writing him off.
Enough nothing. Tell me how many minutes they were getting. Because from looking at the logs, things were not close to equal.
Kuhn, for instance, averaged 12 minutes per over his first 16 games and only had an assist (though he scored a goal in his 17th).
I'm not even writing him off as a player, I'm writing him off as having a long term spot here. Sprong's biggest death sentence in my eyes was Simon being able to flawlessly play RW with Crosby, that was the final knife in the heart for Sprong's chances with the Penguins. I think Sprong will be a productive player on another team, most likely as a Neal type of pure triggerman for a center. But with Pittsburgh? There's just too much in front of him for me to think he'll do that here. He's now 5th on the Penguins RW depth at this point.
If they were smart, they'd be actively shopping him and trying to raise his value by playing him in a role that suits him better. That's one area I'll definitely criticize Sullivan in, he doesn't want Sprong on this team, but he's not putting Sprong in a position for JR to get good value in a trade for him. He's basically acting like a stubborn child about his usage with Sprong, if he didn't want him on the team, put him with scorers to try and raise his value.
I wouldn't say that's been entirely true. He still goes through long stretches of doing a lot of nothing when he plays with Crosby.
I’m just annoyed by how we develop players. If they don’t come in at 18 and wow you, they are pretty much done :/.
The best examples to bring up to refute the minutes arguments are Wilson and Sheary. Sheary had 7 ES goals through 44 games while getting a shade under 9 minutes TOI at ES, and Wilson had 5 ES goals through 24 games while getting a shade over 10 minutes TOI at ES. Those are also the more comparable players to Sprong in terms of player type, at least more so than Rust and Kuhnhackl.
well that's just plain not true.I’m just annoyed by how we develop players. If they don’t come in at 18 and wow you, they are pretty much done :/.
So all this complaining is over maybe a couple shifts when taking into account Sprong doesn't PK and our top PP takes most if not all of the PP minutes?
Kuhn started PKing pretty early on with us. Wilson was getting around 10 minutes or under most of the games when he started here and actually scored goals while doing so. With Porter.
SPRONG RELATED STRAWPOLL
In '15-'16...
Kuhn averaged about 3.5 more minutes a night than Sprong and had 0 goals and 1 assist through 16 games. Rust averaged about 2 more minutes a night than Sprong and had 2 goals and 0 assists through 16 games. Sheary averaged about 2.5 more minutes a night than Sprong and had 2 goals and 1 assist through 16 games (and 2 of those points were with Sid). Wilson averaged about 1 more minute a night than Sprong and had 3 goals and 1 assist through 16 games.
All 4 played more, 3 of them significantly more. 3 produced more goals, and nobody produced more points.
So one of them played marginally more when factoring in PK minutes. Another played marginally more while scoring goals. And the other two played more while scoring goals.
I can see why you feel the need to ruin your entertainment of Pens hockey to fight this good fight.
I'll gladly make an avatar bet with you on this. Name your terms.
Sprong situation is weird. You can say maybe JR screwed his development a tad by making him waiver eligible earlier than hoped for, but on the other hand he dominated the AHL last year and was a PPG. He's got nothing left to prove down there, so I'm not sure what sending him back down would be good for even if we could do it.
If they were smart, they'd be actively shopping him and trying to raise his value by playing him in a role that suits him better. That's one area I'll definitely criticize Sullivan in, he doesn't want Sprong on this team, but he's not putting Sprong in a position for JR to get good value in a trade for him. He's basically acting like a stubborn child about his usage with Sprong, if he didn't want him on the team, put him with scorers to try and raise his value.