The all-purpose: Alexander Wennberg thread

[CBJx614]

I agree wholeheartedly. Especially if its an empty netter or you're up or down by 5 with a minute to go.

Let's take Folignos goal the other night where he was all alone back door for an easy tap in.

Foligno and that line did a lot of work, but him scoring was the easiest part of that whole sequence.

 

[EspenK]

Let's take Folignos goal the other night where he was all alone back door for an easy tap in.

Foligno and that line did a lot of work, but him scoring was the easiest part of that whole sequence.

Easy yes, important more so. How many times have we seen wide open nets missed after a great pass or whatever set it up? To say the goal itself is not the most important part of a play seems like esoteric bs to me.

 

[major major]

Easy yes, important more so. How many times have we seen wide open nets missed after a great pass or whatever set it up? To say the goal itself is not the most important part of a play seems like esoteric bs to me.

"The goal itself" was mostly created by Dubois' pass and the puckhound play of Duclair. Foligno's tap-in there was something anyone could do - and that is the question when it comes to the value of a player's contribution: how replaceable is it? You could put a high schooler in that spot and you still get a goal.

 

[EspenK]

"The goal itself" was mostly created by Dubois' pass and the puckhound play of Duclair. Foligno's tap-in there was something anyone could do - and that is the question when it comes to the value of a player's contribution: how replaceable is it? You could put a high schooler in that spot and you still get a goal.

A high schooler yes; but a Jacket? Maybe 50/50.

 

[Crede777]

A high schooler yes; but a Jacket? Maybe 50/50.

That doesn't mean Foligno played the more important role. Just that the Jackets are inept at finishing chances.

 

[thebus88]

This would all be relevant if WENNBERG was the 1 causing these goals to happen without scoring the goal himself. How many assists does Wennberg get that are because of the "work" of other players? How many goals does he actually create? Or are assists always important while goals aren't?

Its why I've said many times in the past, many of his "primary" assists ARE secondary.

The most redundant forward/player on the team. Its crazy how the tiniest things he does on the ice now are magnified to attempt to show his worth.

 

[thebus88]

Those of you who don't believe the "rumors" about Wenny….

What does Bruce get out of making a "not much interest league wide for Wennberg" rumor public? You think the dozen Wennberg fans here and the dozen more preteen girls back in Columbus are enough hits for him to just come out with a random (made up) rumor like that??

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Wenny with the 3rd most TOI among forwards mustered a SOG.

One goal in his last 41 regular season games-one half of a season. He's officially Ville Leino level of suckage.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Wenny with the 3rd most TOI among forwards mustered a SOG.

One goal in his last 41 regular season games-one half of a season. He's officially Ville Leino level of suckage.

Cool

 

[CBJx614]

Easy yes, important more so. How many times have we seen wide open nets missed after a great pass or whatever set it up? To say the goal itself is not the most important part of a play seems like esoteric bs to me.

Then we'll just have to disagree. Sometimes being able to have the vision to see 2-3 passes/plays ahead of time and being able to spring someone open can be harder than being the one whose open to pull the trigger.

Yes it takes skill to shoot the puck and it's far from easy, but being able to make the correct reads at the speed the game is played at can be just as difficult.

 

[Crede777]

Wenny with the 3rd most TOI among forwards mustered a SOG.

One goal in his last 41 regular season games-one half of a season. He's officially Ville Leino level of suckage.

Ville Leino doesn't get trusted with that kind of ice time. Wennberg has to be doing something right.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Ville Leino doesn't get trusted with that kind of ice time. Wennberg has to be doing something right.

When you have Dubinsky, Double Wennberg and Sedlak as your other options, you don't have to be doing very much right.

3 assists in his last 13 games.

 

[Viqsi]

Those of you who don't believe the "rumors" about Wenny….

What does Bruce get out of making a "not much interest league wide for Wennberg" rumor public? You think the dozen Wennberg fans here and the dozen more preteen girls back in Columbus are enough hits for him to just come out with a random (made up) rumor like that??

You're assuming competence on the part of Garrioch.

 

[EDM]

Why does it sound surprising that a player getting paid almost $5 million per year and who has scored only one goal in half a season would be drawing minimal interest around the league as a trade candidate?

 

[Monk]

Why does it sound surprising that a player getting paid almost $5 million per year and who has scored only one goal in half a season would be drawing minimal interest around the league as a trade candidate?

Where are you seeing surprise?

 

[Viqsi]

I will happily completely reconsider my stance on Wennberg the instant any of the Wennberg Hate Crowd manages to make a tangible fact-based argument against his having any value that does NOT involve: 1) ignoring points in favor of goals scored, OR 2) "because William Karlsson".

 

[major major]

I will happily completely reconsider my stance on Wennberg the instant any of the Wennberg Hate Crowd manages to make a tangible fact-based argument against his having any value that does NOT involve: 1) ignoring points in favor of goals scored, OR 2) "because William Karlsson".

It's endlessly funny that "because William Karlsson" is used as an argument for dumping Wennberg, and not as an argument for keeping him.

You'd think that Karlsson being the last Jacket to play 43 games with one goal would tell you something. But no, the very posters excoriating the FO for not seeing Karlsson's underlying brilliance are also clamoring for the FO to dump Wennberg, on the very grounds that Wennberg has only one goal in 43 games, as if it should automatically follow from the goal drought that the player should be dumped. If there was any thought involved, as opposed to ill-tempered crankery, it wouldn't be the same group of people espousing both views.

 

[EspenK]

Where are you seeing surprise?

. I think he is saying that those that are pooh poohing the report are off base and that it is totally logical that no want wants Weinberg.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

It's endlessly funny that "because William Karlsson" is used as an argument for dumping Wennberg, and not as an argument for keeping him.

You'd think that Karlsson being the last Jacket to play 43 games with one goal would tell you something. But no, the very posters excoriating the FO for not seeing Karlsson's underlying brilliance are also clamoring for the FO to dump Wennberg, on the very grounds that Wennberg has only one goal in 43 games, as if it should automatically follow from the goal drought that the player should be dumped. If there was any thought involved, as opposed to ill-tempered crankery, it wouldn't be the same group of people espousing both views.

Karlsson never saw the minutes/usage Wennberg gets. Apples and Orangutans. Nice Try. Not.

Karlsson's at 14 goals and counting after a slow start. 14th among 95 centers who have played 35 games or more. Shooting 17.5%. 13th among centers. Yeah. Columbus management BLEW IT with him. Completely.

Wenny last among 95 centers with 35 games with 1 goal. 92/95 with his stellar 2.9% shooting percentage.

The CBJ are where they are in the standings in spite of Wennberg, not because of him. He is an anchor.

Ill-tempered crankery. From whom did you lift that one

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Check out the comparable contracts to Wennberg from a real source, not some cherry-picking, Wennberg excuse-making, CBJ management cheerleader:

Alexander Wennberg Comparables Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

It's a terrible contract. Trade him or buy him out at 1/3rd.

 

[major major]

Karlsson never saw the minutes/usage Wennberg gets. Apples and Orangutans. Nice Try. Not.

Karlsson's at 14 goals and counting after a slow start. 14th among 95 centers who have played 35 games or more. Shooting 17.5%. 13th among centers. Yeah. Columbus management BLEW IT with him. Completely.

Wenny last among 95 centers with 35 games with 1 goal. 92/95 with his stellar 2.9% shooting percentage.

Karlsson played a little over 14 minutes per, in two consecutive seasons. Wennberg is currently averaging a little over 15.

Where do you think Karlsson was in those goal rankings when he was a Jacket?

 

[PatrikBerglund]

What would you want for Wennberg in a trade, in terms of picks?

 

[Viqsi]

Check out the comparable contracts to Wennberg from a real source, not some cherry-picking, Wennberg excuse-making, CBJ management cheerleader:

Alexander Wennberg Comparables Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

It's a terrible contract. Trade him or buy him out at 1/3rd.

Hon? Guys like Bo Horvat and Vincent Trocheck are considered to be on deals that are amazingly good for their teams. This might come as a surprise, but there are contract states in between "screamingly good deal for the team" and "buyout candidate".

Seriously. You're trying to compare him to the sorts of guys we'd end up trading folks like Werenski for. That's insanity.

 

[Viqsi]

What would you want for Wennberg in a trade, in terms of picks?

No. We need a center.

The hate crowd will try to say they'll be content with a 2nd. Don't listen to them.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

No. We need a center.

The hate crowd will try to say they'll be content with a 2nd. Don't listen to them.

How about Johan Larsson + 2nd?