The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VI: RIP To Our Databases

[Mac n Gs]

Yes, as usual, the extremes are brought into the picture while completely ignoring the middle.

You're not in the wrong thread, you're just not understanding the argument.

The argument is not: "Never hire former players".

The argument is: "Let's hire people with actual, tangible, experience".

Leetch wants to work in an NHL FO? Get hired in the AHL. Get hired in the OHL. Prove you can do it.

The argument is: "Former players shouldn't be hired to NHL FOs just because they are former players".

Hasn't Leetch just been working on the ice with prospects?

 

[silverfish]

I'm well beyond Brad and Brian, and these hires specifically, and into the entirety of "former players being handed NHL positions" in general. I don't like it. Some people do. That's great.

 

[silverfish]

Going back on topic (my bad, everyone, for derailing in the first place).

Probably about that time to re-visit last year's post-game scraper and see what can be improved.

Recall, these were the chart dumps post-game from last year.

Thoughts?

- I need to fix the faceoff count chart to sort correctly again, that I know.

http://imgur.com/a/cABNJ

 

[Mac n Gs]

Going back on topic (my bad, everyone, for derailing in the first place).

Probably about that time to re-visit last year's post-game scraper and see what can be improved.

Recall, these were the chart dumps post-game from last year.

Thoughts?

- I need to fix the faceoff count chart to sort correctly again, that I know.

http://imgur.com/a/cABNJ

The charts were always great! It was the idiots who said hur dur watch the games that made it annoying. Is there a way to scrape xG once corsica is back?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I always enjoy when you post the postgame charts silver, hope that continues

 

[silverfish]

The charts were always great! It was the idiots who said hur dur watch the games that made it annoying. Is there a way to scrape xG once corsica is back?

Thanks! Yeah, posting them in the actual PGT's, it got tiresome waking up to 10 quote notifications going: 'LOL YOU THOUGHT X WAS BAD AND Y WAS GOOD!?!?!'

Maybe I'll dump 'em in here this season.

re xG: Don't think so, and wouldn't want to pass Manny's work as my own. When Corsica launches again, the xG will be available there, and maybe if we're lucky, Manny will launch 'ElkBot' again

I have long-term ambitions of creating my own xG linear regression model, but, it won't be as strong as Manny's or DTM's, so often I wonder... what's the point?

I always enjoy when you post the postgame charts silver, hope that continues

Thanks!

 

[Mac n Gs]

Thanks! Yeah, posting them in the actual PGT's, it got tiresome waking up to 10 quote notifications going: 'LOL YOU THOUGHT X WAS BAD AND Y WAS GOOD!?!?!'

Maybe I'll dump 'em in here this season.

re xG: Don't think so, and wouldn't want to pass Manny's work as my own. When Corsica launches again, the xG will be available there, and maybe if we're lucky, Manny will launch 'ElkBot' again

I have long-term ambitions of creating my own xG linear regression model, but, it won't be as strong as Manny's or DTM's, so often I wonder... what's the point?



Thanks!

Hey if you don't ever do it, you'll never know. Unless it's a huge undertaking that takes away your free/personal time, then why not have a crack at it?

 

[silverfish]

Hey if you don't ever do it, you'll never know. Unless it's a huge undertaking that takes away your free/personal time, then why not have a crack at it?

Yeah, it's kind of far down on my list of priorities for things to take care of outside of work.

One item on a very long list of long-term projects/ambitions.

 

[SA16]

The charts are nice and all but do you really need them if you watch the game?

 

[Kane One]

The charts are nice and all but do you really need them if you watch the game?

Yes because people are biased and it's impossible to watch every game of every player in the league.

 

[Irishguy42]

The charts are nice and all but do you really need them if you watch the game?

Yes, because no one is able to correctly remember everything about every player in a specific game. It's nice to reference back to stats.

 

[SA16]

 

[Irishguy42]

...yay?

 

[Mac n Gs]

SA is one of the most stats-oriented posters on here. He was joking with y'all

 

[Irishguy42]

SA is one of the most stats-oriented posters on here. He was joking with y'all

Welp...shows how much I forget who is who on the board sometimes :/

 

[silverfish]

Y'all got got

... Will be very curious to see how this board treats Skjei next off-season if his secondary assist numbers don't keep up this season. He's going to lose PP time, too. In fact, there's really no reason Skjei should get any PP time this year. Shattenkirk unit 1, McDonagh unit 2. 4F-1D, always. I did the work on Skjei but can't remember where I posted it. He had a below-average, among d-men, secondary to primary assist ratios.

Right now, we're back to people laughing at the idea of trading Miller+Skjei for Trouba. Meanwhile, in reality, we remember that Trouba is just one-month older than Brady, and has solidified himself as a legitimate top-pairing right-handed d-man.

What's Skjei? Not that. Maybe he will be. But one of these guys is, and plays the more premium position (right-side), and one of these guys might be.

This board needs to be more reflective. Take a major step backwards when evaluating your own players. We are so biased.

 

[silverfish]

Desjardins:

Doesn't move the needle on shot attempts.
Got torched on goals, but could be a victim of a very low PDO. However, that's going to happen when you only record 1 point in 46 games.

I don't know how someone who records 11.89 individual shot attempts per 60 scores 0 goals, but here we are.

http://www.naturalstattrick.com

PTOs to Farnham and Desjardins, and Jagr is still just chilling. What are his contract demands that he's not signed yet? Preposterous. Truly.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Desjardins:

Doesn't move the needle on shot attempts.
Got torched on goals, but could be a victim of a very low PDO. However, that's going to happen when you only record 1 point in 46 games.

I don't know how someone who records 11.89 individual shot attempts per 60 scores 0 goals, but here we are.

http://www.naturalstattrick.com

PTOs to Farnham and Desjardins, and Jagr is still just chilling. What are his contract demands that he's not signed yet? Preposterous. Truly.

Jagr probably wants ~$4M and a NTC. I think he mentioned that he doesn't want to be traded mid season

 

[silverfish]

Jagr probably wants ~$4M and a NTC. I think he mentioned that he doesn't want to be traded mid season

He wants market value? Wow. For shame

I really don't know why we haven't signed him yet. Solves so many problems.

Have **** centers? Easiest way to mask them is by signing wingers who drive play. Hello, Jagr.

 

[Mac n Gs]

He wants market value? Wow. For shame

I really don't know why we haven't signed him yet. Solves so many problems.

Have **** centers? Easiest way to mask them is by signing wingers who drive play. Hello, Jagr.

Might have some resentment from the end of his tenure here, but

SA gave a good breakdown of how Jagr's scoring hasn't dropped t/o the season (and proved me wrong in the process), so I'd have no problem bringing him in. It'd give me a reason to dust off my Jagr jersey

 

[DanielBrassard]

Jagr makes too much sense, but do we even have the cap space to bring him aboard?

Assuming he wants 3-4M.

 

[Machinehead]

Maybe Desjardins sees some progression back to the mean on those numbers

I don't hate it

 

[silverfish]

Maybe Desjardins sees some progression back to the mean on those numbers

I don't hate it

So he goes from 1 point back to 10?

 

[Machinehead]

So he goes from 1 point back to 10?

I would take it

 

[Irishguy42]

Yeah, I'd go for a 900% increase in point totals from a fourth liner.