Prospect Info: The Adolescent 2019 Draft Thread

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  1. Soundwave

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    If Hughes is 80% of Marner, I'd probably take that and run. That gives us two scoring lines almost by default, something we haven't had in like 13 years.
     
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    Yeah, he worries me.

    If size, skating and shot are always the three qualities brought up about a player, I've got alarm bells and red flashing lights going off in my head.

    Give me someone with hockey IQ as their main strength or with it at least second to skating at a minimum.
     
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    This team also needs someone with high compete. Someone with the smarts, skating, tools, and compete.

    Turcotte would be perfect.
     
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    If we're going to miss the playoffs, he's probably my perfect fit for the Oilers in the top 10. I mean all of those prospects in the top 10 are needed, but I think the game that Turcotte plays is exactly the kind of game that our team lacks.
     
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    80% of Marner is basically Jordan Eberle.
     
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    At this point if we land Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Podkolzin, or Dach it would be huge for our team going forward.

    Realistically try and add one top 6 forward in FA this year and try and offload some bad contracts and ramp back up after the 2019-2020 season. I want to say before but I think you could give most of those guys another year of development and by that time hopefully we can figure out our D.
     
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    I 100% agree. I think Turcotte is the best fit for the Oilers in this draft. He has everything you want in a modern day NHL forward and he'd complement this team so well. His skating, smarts and skill combined with his compete level are all sorely needed.
     
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    Tbh, I think this team could use an eberle.
     
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    Any NHL comparable you could think of for player type?
     
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    So I watched another couple of shift-by-shift videos on Podkolzin. One from the Ivan Hlinka tournament and one from the VHL (basically the russian version of AHL) and I just...don't get how he is unanimously ranked #3 by every scouting service out there. Yes, he is skilled and can stickhandle in a phone booth and have a good (but not elite) shot. But what he doesn't have is speed and strength. In todays NHL if you're gonna succeed as a skill guy you need to have at least one of those.

    He kinda reminds me of (a lesser skilled) Jordan Eberle, but with a higher compete level. His vision is not great and he is a pretty average playmaker. He tries to do too much at times as well and makes low percentage plays that semi-frequently result in turnovers on the offensive blueline. I don't know...for a guy ranked #3 I'd expect first-line upside, but I see a 2nd line winger as being his ceiling. Not sure how low I'll place him in my rankings but he's definitely not in my top5.
     
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    Not really sure to be honest. He has some similarities to Marner in terms of speed, compete and skill level.

    You can watch this video from last year and make up your own mind of who he resembles:



    Check out his short-handed goal at 4:26.
     
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    40% at most but either way Marner and Eberle couldn't be more different as players so that's not a great comparison.
     
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    Nah, 80% is about right. Eberle is 20% less agile, less shifty, less cerebral, less of a passer, and slower.

    Point being, success in this league is often dependent on razor thin margins. That extra 20% is what separates the great players from the masses in the league.
     
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    Not sure that Matt Duchene hit the potential that most saw back when he was drafted, but Turcotte today reminds me of the Matt Duchene in his draft year. There were comparisons to Steve Yzerman back then from what I recall. That's the kind of player you're looking at. He has incredible offensive skill, but he plays at both ends, and has that fierce competitiveness about him.
     
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    Turcotte is everything we're looking for (except a right shot). He'd be a perfect fit on the 2nd line with Nuge.

    And he should be available where we end up - around 7th or 8th.

    Turcotte might be the pick boys...
     
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    Are we watching a different player? His speed is fine as he blows past dmen all the time. His strength is rather impressive as he constantly shields off dmen or skates through them.
     
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    Blows past dmen? No, he zigzags through with his edges and hands. Watch that Turcotte video I linked, now that's a guy who blows past dmen. He is pretty good at shielding the puck, I'll give him that but I don't think it stems from him being a strong kid necessarily. Against older and stronger competition I think he'll quite easily be pushed off the puck, so he'll have to rely on being elusive and I'm not sure he's fleet of foot enough to be that kind of guy, so he'll have to build up his strength significantly if he wants to play a skill game in the NHL.
     
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    Thoughts from the video:

    - He seems to make the correct decisions with the puck more often than not. Although a couple times he worked his way in close and made a pass rather than shooting from a good location - if I remember correctly Duchene did very similar in his draft year where at times he would try and pass the puck into his net. Turcotte seemed fairly assertive most of the time shooting from various locations and getting pucks through.
    - He has some very good hands and was able to settle a couple fluttering saucer passes easily.
    - He has some solid edgework and his shiftiness allows him to create space well.
    - Solid speed.

    Overall the only thing I dont feel like I can comment on from that is his shot to a large extent. Turcotte checks most of the boxes if not all that I would like to see on this team and I honestly think he would work well on the LW with RNH or McDavid allowing us to roll two solid lines ideally.
     
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    My top-10 would look something like this:

    Hughes
    Kakko
    Dach/Turcotte
    Dach/Turcotte
    Cozens
    Zegras
    Krebs
    Byram
    Podkolzin
    McMichael
     
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    Couldn't disagree with what you say more. Half his highlights are him going past dmen to the outside, and using his strength to get to the net

    Out of all the top 10 prospects, he is easily the most aggressive. He's an absolute bull on the puck or anyone in his way. He looks more like a NA player

    He already has some good size at 6'1/190lbs.

    He shows to have a good 200 foot game, but his ability to absolutely dummy players w/ his skill is impressive. Can't remember where I saw it, but he made a between the legs move, skate pass that I had to watch 5 times to understand what he did.
     
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    1. Kakko
    Better Mikko Rantanen at this stage. Uses his size extremely well, elite shot and playmaking ability. Great skater too. Much better all-around player than Hughes right now.

    2. Hughes
    Very close to Kakko and I might take him at 1st because we can't develop Europeans. Incredibly skilled and fast, could be our version of Gaudreau/Petterson. I see some red flags though. His size doesn't worry me, his effort level and shot do.

    3. Dach

    Probably the best passer in the draft. His vision is absolutely amazing, and his skating issues are way overblown. He has the same strengths and concerns as Draisaitl did in his draft year, and I could see him being just as good in the future. Hometown boy too.

    4. Turcotte
    Very close to Dach for 3rd. He is a pretty unique player. Blazing speed and great hands, elite offensive potential. But what makes him so special is his defensive ability too. Some scouts have been saying he has 80+ point potential as well as being a Selke contender. This clip shows his defensive and offensive ability (#40):


    5. Cozens
    I see a pretty big drop off from 4th to 5th. I see a lot of red flags with Cozens and would have him lower for most teams, BUT I think he would fit well on this team. In my opinion he projects as more of a complimentary player at the NHL level, which is fine with our centers. He is also right-handed and can one-time the puck.

    6. Krebs

    Krebs is interesting because he plays for a much worse team than Dach and Cozens. His point totals aren't quite as good because of that, but he looked good every time I saw him. He was probably the best player at the CHL prospect game. The main reason I have him below Cozens here is because he's left-handed.

    7. Zegras
    Pretty much a lesser Jack Hughes. Same strengths - fast, skilled, dynamic - but also has similar concerns with turnovers and his defensive play. I haven't been able to watch much of him, but his upside is very high.

    8. Byram
    I usually like guys that are elite at something, and Byram isn't. He's pretty good at everything and I think he will become an NHLer, but I question his upside. His defensive ability is overrated in my opinion. Still probably the best Dman in the draft.

    9. Podkolzin
    He might be higher for other teams, but I just see too much Puljujarvi in him. Production isn't good enough for someone with his pedigree except for international play, where Puljujarvi also excelled. They both have got great tools but questionable IQ and are not great playmakers. I like Podkolzin's shot though.

    10. ???
    Really not sure who to put here. York and Boldy are probably my top 2 for this spot. Soderstrom is good but I don't love his offensive ability, I think he'll cap out as a Vatanen-like player if all goes right. Not a fan of Broberg, Kaliyev, and Suzuki at all. McMichael, Pelletier, Tomasino, and Newhook are the guys I like in the rest of the 1st round.

    Thoughts?
     
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    The bolded is actually something that worries me. Valeri Nichushkin played a similar game like that in Russia. He used his size and speed to blow past defenders and go hard to the net. It didn't translate to NA at all. Both aren't great playmakers either. His shot is the one thing that separates him from Nichushkin, and if he makes the NHL, I think it will be in a sniper role.
     
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    Fair to say this is sort of a crap draft?
     
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    No. About an average draft, with a few players who would fit in perfectly with the Oilers.
     
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    Sad to say this is the thread I'll be looking at for the next 5 months.

    I really like the sounds of Turcotte, although I could see him climb higher now that he's been playing more post-injury. He was ranked at 11 a few weeks back. If he had a bigger body, he'd go even higher. What have been his injury problems? Potential for chronicity (knee, shoulder, etc.)?

    We need speed, IQ, and a good shot. Our three best players, although having good/great shots, are pass first players. I'd love a shooter. Doesn't sound like Turcotte, but checks a lot of boxes in our range.
     
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