Persson still isnt in the WHL, they wouldnt include him. Drafted but still cant commit due to Covid, rules etc.
Has it improved? Please look at Canuck drafting 2006 to 2013. I believe Horvat was the only player who did not go through waivers before age 26. If you take top 15 picks out of the picture. There are still multiple Nhl players picked by Canucks since 2014 after pick 15. McCann. Demko, Boeser, soon to be Rathbone, Hoglander.
If you look at the draft position, draft number, Benning is no better at all. It is only because he has had the team record most top ten picks in it's 50 year history that he has had this success. Every GM with a top ten pick has outshone him if going by a percentage selecting in the top ten for the Canucks.
This is completely false. even accounting for draft position, the team's drafting has been measurably better under Benning. As I've said before, this doesn't mean Benning isn't a poor GM or that he's even responsible for whatever drafting success the team has had.
The conversation wasn't about Benning's input or scouting, or whether it was useful or constituted an advantage over other teams, or how the team might have drafted had they used some other means of evaluating players. It was about whether the team has drafted well during his tenure in comparison to the tenure of the previous general manager. It has, and it doesn't undermine any position you may take in general about Benning's performance to simply admit this.
I didn't put any "parameters" around the conversation -- that's simply what the conversation was about, and you replied to it with evidence of a claim no one was talking about or disputing.
Again, you entered a conversation about whether the team had drafted better during Benning's tenure, without respect to why or who might be responsible. Your choices are pretty much to either express an opinion about that subject, which you don't seem to want to do, or have another conversation about something else, which would be totally cool. That's not a condition I'm imposing -- it's how conversations generally work.
Yes. They haven't bolded my name yet due to fear of public outcry.
Pointing out that someone has said something that suggests they are either mistaken the subject of the conversation or are attempting to hijack it doesn't strike me as an effort to moderate anything. I'm not saying anyone can't or even shouldn't say a certain thing, and I agree with the basic sentiment the poster expressed. It just had nothing to do with what we were talking about. The discussion was expressly about the team's draft record with no reference to Benning and the poster was attempting to undermine a conclusion within this conversation by conflating the discussion with one of Benning's drafting acumen. This happens constantly and it's disingenuous.
I was explaining how conversations generally or ideally work, not actually constraining their behaviour, which I am not capable of doing. I'd have thought this was obvious.
So you were doing the thing that I said you were doing. I'm glad we agree.
It's little-known that when the Beatles broke out Ringo was the "hot" one at first.
Please read my post you responded to. Boeser, Demko, McCann, Rathbone, Hoglander vs Guance, Schoeder, Jensen White, Sauve and that 2013 first we traded. Or picks approx 23,38,24,91,40 vs 25, 26,27,25,40,24. There was Hutton Corrado. Connaughton etc that all went thru waivers. Also Lind Woo may fail but when you compare picks between 20 and 45 the current drafting has been multiple times better. There is no sane person that can claim Canuck drafting was has not improved from previous year period.
I was responding to whether drafting had improved not whether it was better than league average.
