7 pounds is pretty significant when you're talking about a player who's threshold is on the lower side of the spectrum. Seven pound inaccuracy for Weiss is quite insane when he weighs so little to begin with. Do scouts see a player who is 5'10" and already has a well built frame being at 162 lbs? Is that fat? Or are those numbers skewed and he needs perhaps another development year at college to get him to put on 2-4 pounds more of muscle? What you're talking about is when players reach Buff's and Zadorovs height and weight where seven pound fluctuations probably occur naturally from offseason to regular season to offseason.
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This may just be because I'm a towering 6' flat, but I really feel like you're overstating how big a difference 7 pounds makes; even for a smurf
I mean, if Hughes weighs in 7 pounds under his listed weight, would that actually affect how you rated him as a prospect? And Hughes is expected to play in the NHL as a draft+1, for kids who won't be going straight into the NHL that would be even less significant.
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Actually 5'8 155lbs would be matching the eye test. We'll know at the combine if he shows up.
Turcotte looks better and better with each viewing. I firmly believe the top 4 should be set in stone for me.
Hughes
Kakko
Turcotte
Byram
Hughes
Kakko
Turcotte
Byram
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That's my top 3, but I've got Pod...and probably also Cozens...ahead of Byram until I'm sold that he'll be a high-end producer in the NHL as well.
I’m kind of puzzled why people are questioning his offensive upside. Kid is his team’s best offensive and defensive player. As a D he is one goal behind team leader, 2nd in points, controls the game and dictates the tempo.
CE is going to hate this, but I caught some Newhook games since earlier in the season and holy smokes I came away disappointed. Considering which players have risen and there are more identifiable players for this year's draft, he isn't even a top 10-15 skater in this draft. His style is silky smooth no doubt, but I have a lot of questions at the players he's facing than him being truly amazing. There isn't a ton of high-end speed or agility with him, it's mostly aesthetics than anything.
Another aspect is that he has some Kaliyev syndrome where he's absolutely useless when the puck isn't on his stick. However, when it's on stuff happens. He doesn't have an insane amount of IQ or vision, but he has enough for a 1st round prospect. He's a good player and likes to make plays. He also has fantastic hands, I would actually say that his stickhandling is better than his skating ability. He's a very good faceoff man and what I really like is his shot. Absolutely a weapon in terms of heaviness, speed, and that he constantly uses it. Down side? He like every Avalanche forward tries to go crossbar and in and misses 90% of the shots he takes (so he would fit in if we draft him). He had 38 goals this season and has scored 6 goals in 6 playoff games, but honestly he could've easily been a 50 goalscorer if he fixed his accuracy. If I was going to compare him with Jost, Tyson is better at everything except skating ability.
There are some good and some bad with him. He needs to improve his competitiveness and needs to get stronger. He also needs to improve his shot accuracy and gaining more speed will do wonders since the skating foundation elements are there. No way is he a top 15 player for me and if he's not a top 15 player....I argue that I personally would rather pick Kaliyev instead and I expect teams will face the same issues. Could be this year's Veleno, however I also think he has the best chance of being a 1st round bust as well.
Another aspect is that he has some Kaliyev syndrome where he's absolutely useless when the puck isn't on his stick. However, when it's on stuff happens. He doesn't have an insane amount of IQ or vision, but he has enough for a 1st round prospect. He's a good player and likes to make plays. He also has fantastic hands, I would actually say that his stickhandling is better than his skating ability. He's a very good faceoff man and what I really like is his shot. Absolutely a weapon in terms of heaviness, speed, and that he constantly uses it. Down side? He like every Avalanche forward tries to go crossbar and in and misses 90% of the shots he takes (so he would fit in if we draft him). He had 38 goals this season and has scored 6 goals in 6 playoff games, but honestly he could've easily been a 50 goalscorer if he fixed his accuracy. If I was going to compare him with Jost, Tyson is better at everything except skating ability.
There are some good and some bad with him. He needs to improve his competitiveness and needs to get stronger. He also needs to improve his shot accuracy and gaining more speed will do wonders since the skating foundation elements are there. No way is he a top 15 player for me and if he's not a top 15 player....I argue that I personally would rather pick Kaliyev instead and I expect teams will face the same issues. Could be this year's Veleno, however I also think he has the best chance of being a 1st round bust as well.
My Top 5 is essentially locked in now I think as well:
Hughes
Kakko
Turcotte
Cozens
Byram
Pod likely is #6 for me and after that it turns into a shot show. Still a lot of sorting out to be done between Dach, Krebs, Zegras, Boldy, Knight, Soderstrom, Dorofeyev, Caufield, York, Heinola, Kaliyev, Newhook, Seider, etc.
No idea how the rest will sort out.
Hughes
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Cozens
Byram
Pod likely is #6 for me and after that it turns into a shot show. Still a lot of sorting out to be done between Dach, Krebs, Zegras, Boldy, Knight, Soderstrom, Dorofeyev, Caufield, York, Heinola, Kaliyev, Newhook, Seider, etc.
No idea how the rest will sort out.
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I'm really hoping Pod drops to our pick. There's a small, outside chance of that happening because of his stated intent to stay in Russia until he feels ready.
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LA has embraced the tank so get ready for pick #5 and stop fighting about Hughes and Kakko.
We’re pretty much guaranteed to get one of Byram, Pod, Turcotte, Cozens, Krebs, etc which is pretty good, whoever you see as the BPA Ar 3-4-5. If we get either of Hughes or Kakko I’ll be ecstatic and couldn’t care less about these internet arguments about who projects better. I know that battling Finnish posters on HF about their country’s prospects is pretty much an eternal tradition but it feels a bit like a jinx
We’re pretty much guaranteed to get one of Byram, Pod, Turcotte, Cozens, Krebs, etc which is pretty good, whoever you see as the BPA Ar 3-4-5. If we get either of Hughes or Kakko I’ll be ecstatic and couldn’t care less about these internet arguments about who projects better. I know that battling Finnish posters on HF about their country’s prospects is pretty much an eternal tradition but it feels a bit like a jinx
Yeah I think its possible as well and I would be all over him at ~10th overall. In the Top 5 i want someone we can feel more comfortable about helping within a year, but at #10 and after already hopefully snagging a Hughes/Kakko, I would be very happy to take a guy who could be truly elite in 4-5 years down the road.
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I think managing to grab a dropping Pod could be a huge boon for the franchise. He'll be stepping in just as a lot of our players will be getting their big expensive contracts (or right before it happens).
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Weiss is a bit of an exception to the rule... that kid has the hardest time keeping on any weight (pretty well documented). He was down into the 140s at one point during the season last year, and I understand he played that way in college too this year despite getting up to 163 at one point this summer. It isn't at all unusual for a hockey player to lose 5-10 pounds in a season
Not saying USNDTP numbers are accurate, but they are not so wildly off either. Hughes will measure in above 5'10" but likely a touch below 5'11". I expect him to push into the 170s this summer, but would play the bulk of next season in the high 160s. Don't expect his frame to handle 190 well, so will probably peak in the 180s long term.
Not saying USNDTP numbers are accurate, but they are not so wildly off either. Hughes will measure in above 5'10" but likely a touch below 5'11". I expect him to push into the 170s this summer, but would play the bulk of next season in the high 160s. Don't expect his frame to handle 190 well, so will probably peak in the 180s long term.
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Yup... Newhook is a fundamentally sound skater that doesn't have a great burst or speed. I foresee skating problems in his future, but because it looks pretty, people will be high on his skating and say it can overcome his stature. I think Newhook will be a NHL player, but I don't see a high end one in him.
Pod isn't making it past the Rangers if they are in that range.
They'll be all over him like Sakic on a crappy UFA defensemen.
They'll be all over him like Sakic on a crappy UFA defensemen.
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If the lotto gods don't give us Hughes or Kakko, how do you propose we accomplish this?
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Well I think his point is that guys like Turcotte/Cozens/Dach/Krebs/Zegras/Boldy/and even Byram have more chance to be in the lineup and making some kind of impact in season 20/21 than Pod especially if one believe Pod will need some time (half-season?) to adjust to NA hockey. I agree with him but you already know that lol.
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I know its asked in the poll but who are some of the second round targets that realistically might fall?
Also someone asked this question on a different board, but I found it interesting atleast. But when was the last time a prospect labeled with "character issues" succeeded? Thinking guys like Ho-sang, Merkely and De-angelo ect.
Also someone asked this question on a different board, but I found it interesting atleast. But when was the last time a prospect labeled with "character issues" succeeded? Thinking guys like Ho-sang, Merkely and De-angelo ect.
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Don't you know that he is the best defensemen in the league according to some advanced stats?
Laine is a pretty high profile case of a character issue player working out, even if he is pretty one dimensional.
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