BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
Until I started reading all this, I was pretty sure teams that lost in the first round got the pick based on their regular season points, so we should get 15 or so.
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LadyStanley
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VGK finished 16th in league, but that's behind a team that didn't make the playoffs (e.g., Montreal). As the teams that didn't make playoffs get 1-15, VGK probably will be #16.
theslatcher
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If we can get Bill for cheaper for longer term then I'd be willing to give him 8 years as it would bring him to 34yo the year the contract expires. Just before the bad side of the 30's.
I think that would be an easy yes from the team.
That contract would probably always be movable, barring injury, so there would be less risk involved.
Pirate Deadpool
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We need an affordable 2nd pairing dman. I don't think just picks will do it and if there's a prospect coming our way, I'd imagine GMGM would want that player to be nhl ready for next season. I hate to see both go, but to make next year's cap work it looks like that both of them are the easiest ones to trade to get a good return back.
The Duck Knight
Henry, you're our only hope!
Highly doubt both Eakin and Haula get moved. One of them will be the 3C to start. I think it makes more sense to sell high on Eakin's career year and hope Haula rebounds from his injury. Currently no one is going to pay what a healthy Haula is worth in a trade.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
If one of the two gets moved, Haula should be the one to go...it's a no brainer. I wasn't very high on him last year when he had a career year, thought he was extremely lucky to score as many goals as he did. Perron & Neal drove his line & did all the dirty work. His strength was/is his skating, but who knows how this injury affects his speed. I just find him to be a very soft player & I like Eakin's grit & face off ability way more than what Haula brings to the team.
If Haula winds up staying & Eakin does get moved, we become a very top heavy team. Our PK is much weaker if Eaks & Bellmare both go & suddenly our strength down the middle becomes a giant question mark.
Obviously some forwards need to go & the D corps needs to be revamped. Engellend was just brutal in Games 5 & 6, and was completely gassed in OT last night. Thanks for the memories, but it's time to transition into life after hockey.
Here's a list of guys I am fine with being elsewhere next year.
Carpenter
Engellend
Holden (bolded because he was that f***ing bad)
Zykov
Merrill
BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
I think if you need to move a center and you have to consider everything involved, you have to deal Eakin and hope Haula is good.
Haula's not likely to fetch what he's probably worth due to the injury, and he's supposedly kind of a primadonna in the room. Hopefully he's the Top 6 caliber guy he was last season and thinks he is.
The only real issue is who plays center on the 4th line if Bellemare is gone and Glass is up, since Glass is not a 4th line guy and neither is Haula. Nosek, I suppose, then move Glass or Haula to wing.
Glass could be a 1C I don't think we should be putting him on the wing.
EDIT: I don't know where Haula would fit, either.
Smith-Karlsson-Marchessault
Stone-Stastny-Pacioretty
Gusev-Glass-Tuch
Carrier-Nosek-Zykov
Mikheyev/Quinney/Duke/Kolesar/Hyka
Where does he slot in the team?
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hangman005
Mark Stones Spleen
CupInSIX
My cap runneth over
-re-sign Engo to the deal Orpik got
-re-sign Gusev under 5m
-trade one of Haula/Eakin
-trade Miller for a 1st and a stay at home RHD on an ELC
-Clarkson on summer LTIR or traded at the draft
-re-sign Subban to 700k or trade him. Have him and Dansk battle for the backup position
-re-sign Wild Bill 8 years 6.5m or less
-let Bellemare walk if he wants 2m or a long term deal
-re-sign Carpenter, Pirri and Nosek
-leave a spot for one of Hague/Schuldt
-team comes to preseason slightly over cap: trade and/or waive Holden, Zykov, Pirri and Carpenter if the team is healthy after preseason
-add a Dman at the trade deadline
-re-sign Gusev under 5m
-trade one of Haula/Eakin
-trade Miller for a 1st and a stay at home RHD on an ELC
-Clarkson on summer LTIR or traded at the draft
-re-sign Subban to 700k or trade him. Have him and Dansk battle for the backup position
-re-sign Wild Bill 8 years 6.5m or less
-let Bellemare walk if he wants 2m or a long term deal
-re-sign Carpenter, Pirri and Nosek
-leave a spot for one of Hague/Schuldt
-team comes to preseason slightly over cap: trade and/or waive Holden, Zykov, Pirri and Carpenter if the team is healthy after preseason
-add a Dman at the trade deadline
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hangman005
Mark Stones Spleen
Trade Miller, Holden and one of Haula and Eakin for McDavid 50% retained 
Could you imagine the meltdown.
Could you imagine the meltdown.
CupInSIX
My cap runneth over
I think we should be prepared to see not as much player movement as we're expecting, just like the inaugural year. Maybe one big salary goes at the draft, but I have a feeling McPhee is going to come into training camp way over the cap. Haula is a big question mark. Do they really want to give him away for peanuts, and do they want to keep him if he's not 100%?
One advantage he does have though: he can make a handshake agreement with a team to help them during the Seattle Expansion Draft. They help take cap now, we help them in a year...
All day every day.
One advantage he does have though: he can make a handshake agreement with a team to help them during the Seattle Expansion Draft. They help take cap now, we help them in a year...
Trade Miller, Holden and one of Haula and Eakin for McDavid 50% retained
Could you imagine the meltdown.
All day every day.
LadyStanley
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Granger with lots of tweets about injuries and contract status, etc.
Haula had 3 more weeks before he'd be available to play (so late conference finals).
Spirit is willing, flesh is weak
Haula had 3 more weeks before he'd be available to play (so late conference finals).
Spirit is willing, flesh is weak
The Duck Knight
Henry, you're our only hope!
Pirri is 100% gone and I wish him good luck in the future.
Hopefully Belle will take a tad less than market value in return for term. Something like 4x2m.
Hopefully Belle will take a tad less than market value in return for term. Something like 4x2m.
theslatcher
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Vegas finished ahead of Colorado though and if Colorado loses the 2nd round, Colorado will pick 16 and Vegas 17. The 16-27 spots are by order of finish between the teams that don't make the Conference finals. Doesn't matter whether they lose in the first or the second round and division winners are placed at the end of the list of those that lose during the first 2 rounds.
I believe the draft order is like this right now.
16 Colorado/Vegas
17 Vegas/Dallas/Columbus(Ottawa)/St. Louis(Buffalo)
18 Dallas/Columbus(Ottawa)/St. Louis(Buffalo)/Winnipeg(NYR)
19 Columbus(Ottawa)/St. Louis(Buffalo)/Winnipeg(NYR)/Pittsburgh
20 Winnipeg(NYR)/Pittsburgh/Toronto
21 Pittsburgh/Toronto/San Jose(Buffalo if St. Louis Wins/Anaheim if St. Louis Loses)
22 NY Islanders/San Jose(Buffalo if St. Louis Wins/Anaheim if St. Louis Loses)/Toronto/Pittsburgh
23 Boston/NY Islanders/San Jose(Buffalo if St. Louis Wins/Anaheim if St. Louis Loses)/Toronto
24 Nashville
25 Washington
26 Calgary
27 Tampa
LadyStanley
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ChanceVegas
Barney on a bender
Wow, the thought of losing both Eakin and Bellemare is completely frightening based on what we just saw on the PK without them. No other player sacrifices themselves like they do and Eakin is either our first or second best faceoff guy (just watch the crosscheck... too soon?).
I mean of course it all depends on who we get, but we gut our PK unit if we lose both those guys. Maybe Nosek can cover for one of them, but I am not sure who else is as good on the PK. Carpy pretty good, but he's no Eakin. Visions of 4 goals on a 5 min major are still flashing in front of me.
I mean of course it all depends on who we get, but we gut our PK unit if we lose both those guys. Maybe Nosek can cover for one of them, but I am not sure who else is as good on the PK. Carpy pretty good, but he's no Eakin. Visions of 4 goals on a 5 min major are still flashing in front of me.
The Duck Knight
Henry, you're our only hope!
Wow, the thought of losing both Eakin and Bellemare is completely frightening based on what we just saw on the PK without them. No other player sacrifices themselves like they do and Eakin is either our first or second best faceoff guy (just watch the crosscheck... too soon?).
I mean of course it all depends on who we get, but we gut our PK unit if we lose both those guys. Maybe Nosek can cover for one of them, but I am not sure who else is as good on the PK. Carpy pretty good, but he's no Eakin. Visions of 4 goals on a 5 min major are still flashing in front of me.
I'd say Stone/Karlsson/Smith are all fantastic penalty killers themselves. Losing depth players is the price you pay for success and trying to contend. They are also the easiest and cheapest to replace. There is no shortage or 3rd and 4th liners on the free agent market every year that are great PK'ers.
Teams usually use 6 forwards as their primary PK units. Neither Stone nor Smith are centers so they would be losing 2 of the 3 centers from the PK units. I believe if they move on from someone for cap reasons it might be Haula and try to keep 1 or both of Eakin/Belle
Pirate Deadpool
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If only one of Haula and Eakin is moved, I hope it's because of which one the team values more and not based on the return unless there is a player coming to us that can play immediately. If it's prospects and picks then I want to keep the better player. I don't have a preference as of now. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Throwing away Haula's stats from his shortened season, both players are coming off career seasons. One is a pk specialist and the other is a pp specialist. One can play forward and wing and the other is a center.
I hope that at least one of them will return, but I could see both going as it will be difficult to pay Gusev, Wild Bill, and any other players that they hope to retain.
My biggest concern is fielding 3 solid d pairings. As I highly doubt that the team plans on inserting more than one rookie dman, I am hoping that we get a solid 2nd or 3rd line dman back in any trade we make.
Throwing away Haula's stats from his shortened season, both players are coming off career seasons. One is a pk specialist and the other is a pp specialist. One can play forward and wing and the other is a center.
I hope that at least one of them will return, but I could see both going as it will be difficult to pay Gusev, Wild Bill, and any other players that they hope to retain.
My biggest concern is fielding 3 solid d pairings. As I highly doubt that the team plans on inserting more than one rookie dman, I am hoping that we get a solid 2nd or 3rd line dman back in any trade we make.
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