Tha Third 2019 Canucks Offseason Rumours/Trades Thread

[UK Canuck]

can we not explore a Collin Miller trade rather than spunk god knows how much on utter garbage in FA?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Tanev will be traded at the trade deadline after an easier workload this year due to a better defence. It will make up for the first lost in the Miller trade.
They will not be getting rid of him until then at the least as he is signed to a great cap and can only increase his value. Being a RHD he will hold value and fill a role here.

 

[polarbearcub]

can we not explore a Collin Miller trade rather than spunk god knows how much on utter garbage in FA?

It’s a lose lose with Jim’s trading

 

[canucksfan]

Tanev will be traded at the trade deadline after an easier workload this year due to a better defence. It will make up for the first lost in the Miller trade.
They will not be getting rid of him until then at the least as he is signed to a great cap and can only increase his value. Being a RHD he will hold value and fill a role here.

Playoffs are the goal this year so why would they trade Tanev near the deadline?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

With the condition in the deal it protects us just in case we don’t. At this point it’s all hypothetical and if we are in a spot I’m sure he will be a big part of it.
Him being a UFA after next year makes him a very tradable asset if we aren’t at a low salary for other teams to absorb.

 

[TruGr1t]

after picking up miller i am totally lost as to how we do much without moving out large salaries. buyout spooner maybe, but how are we even in a conversation with myers until we move tanev or sutter?

They can basically sign Myers and Boeser to around $15M-$16M in combined annual salary and still be $1M-$2M under the cap. But that's with a 21-22 man roster ... or 12-13 forwards / 7 defensemen.

That does not include signing Hutton, or any of other other RFAs (i.e. Goldobin, Motte, Leivo, Granlund, Teves, and Rafferty).

So they can do it if they get rid of Hutton, and sign a couple guys to league minimum.

I don't see anyway they can accommodate Benn at $3M+ AAV without ditching an equivalent contract, though, assuming they sign a big defensive FA first.

I definitely do not see a path to any major roster re-construction without somehow ditching Sutter and Eriksson without any salary coming back, which would likely cost more draft picks and prospects.

 

[Hansen]

Benning is walking himself into a huge cap crunch where he’s going to be forced to move Tanev. And no team is going to give us a 1st rounder to help us out of it

 

[Fire Benning]

Vegas will have to clear quite a bit of cap space after they sign Karlsson. Miller has been talked about quite a bit, but what about someone like Erik Haula?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Explain in detail how youd dump salary

Its really not hard if you're not a moron.
Keep hearing how sutter and tanev have value, thats 8+ million right there.

Then there's baertchi, spooner, pearson, leivo, beagle. Take your pick. In fact take any pick you can get.

Not to mention dumping Eriksson for whatever you can, or send him to utica until he waives to wherever will take him. Or mutually terminates his contract. Who cares he's trash.

No thats not going to affect other FA, he made his comments public he made his own bed.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Its really not hard if you're not a moron.
Keep hearing how sutter and tanev have value, thats 8+ million right there.

Then there's baertchi, spooner, pearson, leivo, beagle. Take your pick. In fact take any pick you can get.

Not to mention dumping Eriksson for whatever you can, or send him to utica until he waives to wherever will take him. Or mutually terminates his contract. Who cares he's trash.

No thats not going to affect other FA, he made his comments public he made his own bed.

So your answer is a non answer. Thanks for clarifying. Because none of what you said is realistic

 

[canucksfan]

Benning is walking himself into a huge cap crunch where he’s going to be forced to move Tanev. And no team is going to give us a 1st rounder to help us out of it

Next off-season Nucks might be in trouble. Spooner, Tanev and Markstrom are UFAs. Spooner obviously will gone. However, Markstrom will get a raise and if the Nucks don't sign him then they will have to get another goalie. That might be expensive unless Demko plays at a high level. Also will have to replace or sign Tanev which won't be cheap.

 

[VanillaCoke]

So your answer is a non answer. Thanks for clarifying. Because none of what you said is realistic

Lol yes it is. Look at what every other competent GM is and has been doing.

There's literally reports of teams interested in both sutter and tanev.

Its not that hard. Even a potato can have reasonable results.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Lol yes it is. Look at what every other competent GM is and has been doing.

There's literally reports of teams interested in both sutter and tanev.

Its not that hard. Even a potato can have reasonable results.

[MOD]
Tanev has no value. Did you miss where it was reported this weekend that Dim floated Sutter out there and was met with silence?
I’m guessing you’re just ignoring the 1st round pick it cost a team to dump 6.75m for 1 year?
Schaller is the closest thing to being able to dump without it costing something or getting a bad contract back as he’s probably better suited to a different or better team rather than a garbage team who would rather continue collecting middle6 players

 

[SillyRabbit]

People are confusing "What Benning is being offered by other teams for a player" and "What the players actual market value is."

Other GM's are obviously going to lowball Benning rather than come to him with their most competitive offer.

It's up to Benning to negotiate this value and get the best deal possible.

Since he has a proven track record of being very poor at this, obviously he is going to leave talks thinking that "there isn't much of a market for player X" since he failed to create and navigate that market.

If other teams consistently get better value for their players, picks and prospects, it isn't because all of their players, picks and prospects innately had more value than ours, it's because their GM's were able to negotiate better value through trades than ours could.

 

[VanJack]

Everybody is pumping the tires on Corey Perry as low-cost forward option for NHL teams after his buyout by the Ducks. But also wondering about a guy like Wayne Simmonds? Is he done? Or could he help the 'Nucks on a cost-controlled one or two year offer? Seems a far better option than a guy like Tim Schaller.

 

[RandV]

Lol yes it is. Look at what every other competent GM is and has been doing.

There's literally reports of teams interested in both sutter and tanev.

Its not that hard. Even a potato can have reasonable results.

Tanev doesn't really count because the impact he has on the team is worth more than his cap hit. $4.45M for our #1 RD, where on the FA market a guy like Jordie Benn is probably going to get $3M.

Sutter does count here but the reports at the draft suggest Benning was trying to trade Sutter but was a bit shocked at the lack of interest. I think this is one that can get done, but it will be later into July with a team needing a center who missed out on the FA options.

 

[TruGr1t]

Vegas will have to clear quite a bit of cap space after they sign Karlsson. Miller has been talked about quite a bit, but what about someone like Erik Haula?

Not a bad thought at all. It also would have been worth asking Vegas what it would have taken to acquire both Haula and Colin Miller. You could have solved a lot of issues for a little over $1M more than JT Miller makes by himself. Did we even call? Probably not.

We're now basically in the situation where it's either sign the big defensive FA, or weaponize cap space. They can't do both because they'll need to move their own bad contracts out to accommodate, which sort of defeats the purpose of weaponizing your cap space.

Also, those asking about Tanev ... it seems to me management views Myers as a Tanev replacement. I don't think they'll both be on the same team.

I expect every thing is contingent on Myers, basically. They won't take on any salary before July 1st because they'll view it as impacting their ability to win the Myers bidding war.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It’s funny you throw out terms like “moron” and “potato” and yet fail to see yourself in the mirror.
Tanev has no value. Did you miss where it was reported this weekend that Dim floated Sutter out there and was met with silence?
I’m guessing you’re just ignoring the 1st round pick it cost a team to dump 6.75m for 1 year?
Schaller is the closest thing to being able to dump without it costing something or getting a bad contract back as he’s probably better suited to a different or better team rather than a garbage team who would rather continue collecting middle6 players

Okay . Tanev has no value and Benning couldnt trade sutter bc nobody wants him. Even though they did a few months ago, and not because Benning has an inflated price because he's a moron and things sutter and beagle are foundational....

Like jesus this isnt that hard, there's literally other GM's doing it. Every year.

 

[Fire Benning]

Ben Kuzma: Benning wooing free-agent defencemen after trying the trade route

“That (Miller trade) was just the start of what we’re trying to do to add to our group in that range, to support our younger guys and make us more competitive,” said Canucks general manager Jim Benning. “There is still work to be done on that front and I’m going to keep pounding away.”