Tenth Ranked Defenseman of All-Time

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  1. RabbinsDuck

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    So I was going over my Top 10 and I have:

    1:
    Orr

    2-5:
    Harvey
    Bourque
    Lidstrom
    Shore

    6-7:
    Kelly
    Potvin

    8-9:
    Fetisov
    Robinson

    10:
    Any number of players... Up to about #15

    Without thinking too much about it, I might be partial to Chelios there.

    Who just squeaks into your Top 10?
     
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    OK, tied for 10th with Chelios
    (nope, I cant cut these guys)

    Scott Stevens
    Al MacInnis
    Brian Leetch
    Phil Housley
    Scott Neidermeyer
     
  3. RabbinsDuck

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    Hmmm... Coffey, Park, Pilote, Seibert, Clancy, Horton, Cleghorn, Gadsby and Salming are up there as well - ahead of a number of those guys, IMO.
     
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    Agreed. Park was an absolute machine.

    Off the top of my head, I think he was a Norris runner-up 5 or 6 times, and at least 4 of those were to Bobby Orr. The rest were to Denis Potvin or Larry Robinson.
     
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    Its a tough one alrighty. I just picked the best from the past decade and a bit. Coffey sure deserves serious consideration; Park, Pilote & Salming as well. I dont suppose we could do this by decade or era, mebbe go all Socialist and have 3 players per at 1-10, giving us 30 picks in all?. :huh:
     
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    Salming deserves to be in the mix as well.

    Oh wait, what am I saying?!? I forgot that I'm North American biased :rolleyes:

    Hard not to have Park in there though. Poor guy, exact opposite of Lidstrom, couldn't buy a Norris no matter how well he played. Not sure if anyone faced a higher level of competition year after year than Park.
     
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    If those are the top 9, Chelios is 10a and Park is 10b.
     
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    This.
    Although I have some issues with Robinson getting a bit overvalued.
     
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    Stevens is top 10.

    I'd rather have that guy in front of me than anyone not named Orr or Potvin.

    When's Lemaire getting a mention?
     
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    Probably never, since he was a center.


    to answer the OP, I say Park has a clear edge on the rest, then Chelios, then Coffey. From there, it's really close between Clancy, Cleghorn, Seibert, Horton and Pilote.
     
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    ...well, Orr was a foward that played D!

    From what I read Cleghorn was nasty.
     
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    Park was a 1st Team All-Star 5 times and a 2nd Team All-Star twice - exactly the same as Chelios. Coffey has 4 1st Teams and 4 2nd Teams. I have both of them ahead of Park. I believe Chelios and Coffey faced maybe a bit less in #1 competition, but certainly more in top-end, elite competition than Park had to. Salming is no Bourque.
     
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    Coffey was a glorified Sandis Ozolins.

    I'd go Park-Chelios-Stevens-Leetch from there.

    Geoffrion might deserve a mention in the top 20, too.
     
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    What is with people in this thread mentioning players who aren't even defensemen?
     
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    Sandis Ozolinsh scoring placements among defensemen: 2,7

    Paul Coffey scoring placements among defensemen: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,3,5,5,6,7


    Sandis Ozolinsh scoring placements among ALL skaters: N/A

    Paul Coffey scoring placements among ALL skaters: 2,3,5,6,6,9,13


    Paul Coffey is quite clearly the 2nd best offensive defenseman ever after Bobby Orr, and the only other defender of the modern era to ever come close to a scoring title. Paul Coffey was so much better offensively than even Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch, etc that he has to be in the discussion.


    Bernie Geoffrion was a winger
     
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  17. I honestly just don't see how you could not have Coffey in the top 10. The best offensive defenseman besides Orr, and by quite a margin, has to be IMO.
     
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    Park, Salming, Chelios or Pilote. Order? Doesn't matter as its about personal preference.

    Edit: In the spirit of this thread I'd say that Gordie Howe deserves a mention in the top-20.
     
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    I was kidding.
     
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    and the one I would fear the most playing against!

    As a matter of fact if I had to build a team to win (not just all-stars, IMHO there's a huge difference) Stevens would be in the top 5.
    Orr, Potvin
    Harvey, Stevens
    Lidstrom, Kelly or Robinson
     
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    Yep, Stevens is a perfect second or third pairing d-man for an all-time list.

    Could you even imagine a team having to face say Potvin on one pairing, Chelios on the next pairing and Stevens on another pairing...nasty, nasty, nasty.
    Keep your heads up folks.
     
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    Dude, Exactly!~! That would be mine as well.
    However, I would switch Harvey and Lidstrom. Not because one's better than the other, though.
     
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    It's one of Park, Chelios and Coffey for sure. I think it's Park, personally.

    I actually had to make this exact decision with my first pick in the most recent ATD.
     
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    ... Wow. Is THIS the level we're dealing with here? People actually think this?
     
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    Because sadly Coffeys defense isnt top 50... I might be the biggest critic of Coffey but he just wasnt that strong defensively to warrant a top-10 spot.

    To the Stevens in the top 10 people, he is a valid choice but I think he is somewhere around 15 and I probably rank the guy higher than most.
     

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