JojoTheWhale
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- May 22, 2008
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Jordan embraced the baldness. LeBron ran from it. Don’t @ me.
Jordan isn't even that good in today's NBA.
Not so fast my friend. Lebron's hairline is making a comeback.Jordan embraced the baldness. LeBron ran from it. Don’t @ me.
It's a simple mathematical equation and the NBA has proven that the Jordan model isn't that great.
3 is better than 2. 3 is infinitely better than a long or contested 2.
On defense Jordan can't handle LeBron or do the things that LeBron does on defense, which is guard everyone. He definitely can't handle Giannis.
In today's league he'd be a slightly better Russell Westbrook.
These arguments where you take a player out of time and transport him/her to today's game have never made a lick of sense. You're just depriving yourself of getting to enjoy the history of the game or trying to be an ass. Either way, it's not worth anyone's time.
When you talk about comparing the rebounding of the two, I think that most understand positional responsibilities have to be accounted for in some way. What I don't often see broken apart is offensive vs defensive. You can look at the DRB% and ORB% and quickly get the idea that Jordan was a better offensive rebounder and LeBron better on the defensive end. I don't have the time to do a proper writeup this morning, but other than Ben Simmons and one random year from Tony Allen, NBA Guards aren't asked/allowed to crash the offensive glass the way they used to be.
Their rebounding metrics, like everything else, are very much a product of the their times and roles. Usage% is certainly a flawed stat, but don't look at it in a vacuum and say Jordan's was 2% higher over the course of their careers. LeBron carries a hard load. He came in and got top 10ish Usage right away. He's basically always around the top 10. Sometimes top 5, but not as frequently as you might guess. He lead the league once, in 2007-08. Jordan lead the league 8 times in the 12 year stretch from 85-86 to the second retirement after 97-98. We don't have Usage% going back to Wilt or Robertson, but no one in the statistical era of basketball was asked to consistently carry an offense to the degree Jordan was relative to his peers.
You wont win this argument friend. Mike is an unassailable God to fans/sneaker lovers of a certain age.All of this is very reasonable, but the entire reason why "The Last Dance," all of it approved by Jordan, was finally allowed to be aired is that Jordan got tired of people comparing the Warriors to the '96 Bulls or LeBron to himself.
Generally these arguments center around things like "6-0" and "Jordan did all this stuff while getting hacked by the Detroit Pistons and LeBron doesn't have to face that now." Of course, these things ignore a lot of contextual stuff and are overly simplistic. Jordan benefited from a lot of luck in various ways (Phil Jackson showing up, being away for 1 2/3 years while the Bulls went through their "After Horace Grant/Before Dennis Rodman" phase, being able to avoid the era of Western Conference dominance and the Duncan/Spurs title teams, and basically not having a decline phase because everyone seems to forget that the two years in Washington didn't happen.
All of this is very reasonable, but the entire reason why "The Last Dance," all of it approved by Jordan, was finally allowed to be aired is that Jordan got tired of people comparing the Warriors to the '96 Bulls or LeBron to himself.
Generally these arguments center around things like "6-0" and "Jordan did all this stuff while getting hacked by the Detroit Pistons and LeBron doesn't have to face that now." Of course, these things ignore a lot of contextual stuff and are overly simplistic. Jordan benefited from a lot of luck in various ways (Phil Jackson showing up, being away for 1 2/3 years while the Bulls went through their "After Horace Grant/Before Dennis Rodman" phase, being able to avoid the era of Western Conference dominance and the Duncan/Spurs title teams, and basically not having a decline phase because everyone seems to forget that the two years in Washington didn't happen.
Repeating my commentCopying my post from the CoVid thread:
Tobias Harris donated a bunch of Chick-fil-A meals to the Temple University hospital
Is this directed at me? @ me next time so i can respond.Some really good posters can do an awful lot better than "people won't listen." That's weak.
Well, at least Embiid will be nice and healthy when this is over.
Repeating my comment
That is just Embiid's leftovers...