Teams that overcame "bad culture"

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  1. TropicalFruitGirl2

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    tbh I think this whole bad culture idea is just what happens when your team isn't talented or well coached enough to win. As others have said that all hinges on the GM's decision making..... For example, you take Crosby out of Pittsburgh and I bet the culture gets a lot worse, cause they're just not nearly as good without him

    granted there are certain problem players around the league (crazy guys that just can't assimilate socially with their teammates), but they are few and far between. It is more about talent
     
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    Sid also has a hard-earned rep as being a tremendously determined individual away from the rink, in the video room, and in practice. He keeps himself in tip-top condition and preps for game day and the season with rigor. That rubs off on others and can be a point when he, as captain puts in his two cents on what others are doing.

    That said, losing teams often get the culture label. Winning often “fixes” culture.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point.
    Burke wanted to build a winner with Kessel and Phaneuf instead of building from the draft
     
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    The Pens are not immune to having spurts of bad culture, the DB years in to the Johnston years I'd consider bad culture. Maybe top notch org., but they had their trial and tribulations. Mostly not being able to control themselves from the players up to the HC. It was quite embarrassing grown men couldn't get a grip and easily knocked off focus.
     
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    Torontos problem has always been its media [MOD] Dont see that changing anytime soon. Leafs got further in the playoffs with Carlyle than their current 80 million dollar coach lmao. Maybe Lidstrom will come out of retirement to bail out Babs again.
     
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    There's definitely the change in the front office, but NYI did not have a culture problem on the ice. They had a coaching problem with Weight. Less so with Capuano, who ran a good room, but was bad in-game. The only NYI player in recent memory who could be said to have dogged it was Ryan Strome. I can't think of any other.
     
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    The Leafs is a recent one. Twice actually.

    First-the original Muskoka Five. This was the transition to the salary cap world that the Leafs had a very hard time adjusting to. Can't just go out and throw money at the best players anymore. Cliff Fletcher was brought in to "dismantle" the team and sell off the scraps to the highest bidder. It needed to be done.



    At the February 26, 2008 trade deadline, the team was 27-28-9 and some felt trades could net some good, young players to begin a rebuild. It was not to be. The Leafs made only 3 deals… Hal Gill, Wade Belak and Chad Kilger traded for a net 3 draft picks in 2008 (rounds 2, 3, 5) and a 5th round 2009 pick. The team went 9-7-2 to close the season, missing the playoffs again. The focus fell onto 5 players who had no-trade clauses (given by former GM John Ferguson Jr.), and had refused to waive them. These players were thought the Leafs’ most valuable commodities; trading one or all could potentially restock Toronto for the future. Mats Sundin, Tomas Kaberle, Darcy Tucker, Bryan McCabe and Pavel Kubina. They’d come to be known as The Muskoka Five.


    The rumour of what happened was as follows: Fletcher had some deals lined up. Sundin felt that "they could still make the playoffs" and talked the rest of the guys into not waiving the no trade clauses, so the only futures aquired were for second string players. It was a bitter topic for Leafs fans, dividing fans along the pro vs anti Sundin lines.



    So then Burke comes in, and arrogantly proclaims that he can rebuild the team in five years. Starts by making the horrendous Phil Kessel deal. Then the Phaneuf deal. Then Lupul. So now we have a team full of castaways from other teams, draft smaft!

    It wasn't until the current regime came in and did what the fans said needed to be done since 2006. Trade off what you can for futures, bottom out, get a top pick, and reboot.
     
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    Kevin27nyi Trotz <3

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    Maybe but there was a noticeable buy in under Trotz. I also thought there were leadership voids, especially after Hamonic left. And not too long ago Dwayne Roloson called the locker room a country club.
     
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    I'll buy the leadership void especially in the context of the Tavares distraction, but there was no culture problem in the room. There was a systems problem. Trotz has said he was given zero problems with implementation and the results speak for themselves. Culture problems don't get turned around that quickly.
     
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    Yeah true I guess, think I'm associating leadership issues with culture.
     
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    I give a ton of credit to Therrien. He was the biggest kick in the pants the pens have ever gotten, and pretty much turned around the culture in less than a year back in 2006. Pens haven't missed the playoffs since.
     
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    Unfortunately the same can't be said about Therrien on his second tenure with the Habs. The guy was straight up evil and arrogant and created a predatory, backstabbing culture within the team which was exposed when Price went down. We are slowly recovering but Therrien was a mess.
     
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    Late 70's and most of the 80's the Wings were a pretty sad sack franchise. Illitch pumping in his Little Caesar's money and resources turned them around quickly

    See- money CAN buy happiness :)
     
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    Vegas quickly got over the culture of drugs, prostitutes, and fixing games the anti-expansionists around here were certain would doom the franchise.
     
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    MB having Therriens back made things worse as well!
     
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    This is true for sure, meant to mention that too in my post. Therrien's hiring was one of the first things MB did as the Habs GM so obviously he would have the back of "his guy" and it only made things worse.
     
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    Then it went downhill again after the whole Richards, Stoll, and Voynov fiasco.
     
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    I don't think I once read that expansion to Vegas was a bad idea. Drugs and prostitutes are great and are found in any city if you look.

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    The ones who got new GM. Culture starts and ends with a GM
     
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    Oilers were starting to get a bad culture with Chia but Hollsy has turned it around 360, it all starts at the top.
     
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    Wait, what?
     
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    Remember when Komisarek was the big signing to start the "change"? That was a big deal at the time. People started to want to come to Toronto.

    Add Phaneuf and his locker room music stuff
     
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    Kamiccolo Wake me up when Marner signs.

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    What's sad is that it was change. The Leafs were somehow worse before lol
     

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