Team toughness

[ZiGOODejad]

The enforcers are a thing in the past. I don't condone an enforcer. What I would prefer is finishing your damn checks. Don't pass a guy and scrap him. Nail that sucker to the boards. As well as Stand up for your teammates. Too many guys getting roughed up and teammates just skating away. You got to have each other's back. It's a bonding moment when you stick up for another guy and that's not your style of play. Idk I'm just spit balling here.

 

[CHGoalie27]

The enforcers are a thing in the past. I don't condone an enforcer. What I would prefer is finishing your damn checks. Don't pass a guy and scrap him. Nail that sucker to the boards. As well as Stand up for your teammates. Too many guys getting roughed up and teammates just skating away. You got to have each other's back. It's a bonding moment when you stick up for another guy and that's not your style of play. Idk I'm just spit balling here.

Not every team has an answer for Dustin Byfuglien with a player in each hand. But they should. They used to. We used to.

 

[GregSirico]

Brady Tkachuk
Joel Farabee

Then we are back to it!

Farabee isn't anything special.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Farabee isn't anything special.

Farabee is a really good prospect.

He wouldn’t even be a bad at 9 really. Not the guy I want, but he has his merits.

 

[Stasis]

Yes, that is exactly what people are talking about. Nailed it.

Super late in replying to this but I feel it needs to be said. This is exactly why I mentioned the /s in case anyone needed it. You did.

It meant sarcasm. I wasn't at all implying people were wanting that. I wasn't even making fun of people who like toughness. I'm not against it. I was just being silly. =/

 

[Machinehead]

Not every team has an answer for Dustin Byfuglien with a player in each hand. But they should. They used to. We used to.

Vegas' answer was winning the series in 5.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Vegas' answer was winning the series in 5.

Vegas has Reeves and Engelland.

 

[True Blue]

Super late in replying to this but I feel it needs to be said. This is exactly why I mentioned the /s in case anyone needed it. You did.

It meant sarcasm. I wasn't at all implying people were wanting that. I wasn't even making fun of people who like toughness. I'm not against it. I was just being silly. =/

My bad.

 

[GregSirico]

Farabee is a really good prospect.

He wouldn’t even be a bad at 9 really. Not the guy I want, but he has his merits.

Not in the top 9 though.

 

[Edge]

Not in the top 9 though.

If there are no surprises, I can think of one, maybe two guys who you can make the argument for.

But even then, 9 wouldn't be shocking.

 

[eco's bones]

Both Vegas and Washington are bigger, meaner, tougher teams than the Rangers. They also have players who will cross the line into dirty play at times, coaching staffs that will complain when the league comes back at them for the dirty play, and fanbases that will make excuses for all their excesses---victimized opponents for instance are usually vilified for bringing mayhem or injury on themselves by doing something not nearly as bad, or not having their heads up.

But anyway the trend this year---the team winning the Cup is not going to be a patsy kind of team. It's going to be a proactive mean team.

 

[True Blue]

But anyway the trend this year---the team winning the Cup is not going to be a patsy kind of team. It's going to be a proactive mean team.

I would agree with this. Then throw in teams like Jets & Predators and you see a trend.

 

[GregSirico]

Why are we always trying to copy cat another team?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Why are we always trying to copy cat another team?

Hilariously, after a season full of talk of how our model was always wrong and we need to completely change our org, thought process, etc - the final is between one team that got formed a year ago, and another that has been giving it another kick at the can with older vets for awhile now.

 

[True Blue]

Why are we always trying to copy cat another team?

No one is trying to copy another team. The commentary has been is that this team has become marshmallow soft under AV. Very easy to play against. That needs to change. The next set of comments that were made, as it pertains to this, was about the construction of the playoff teams. No one is saying "Lets become the Caps or Jets". The way this team has played has to change. The way that it was formerly constructed has to change.

 

[True Blue]

Hilariously, after a season full of talk of how our model was always wrong and we need to completely change our org, thought process, etc - the final is between one team that got formed a year ago, and another that has been giving it another kick at the can with older vets for awhile now.

Who said anything about going at it with older vets?

 

[GregSirico]

No one is trying to copy another team. The commentary has been is that this team has become marshmallow soft under AV. Very easy to play against. That needs to change. The next set of comments that were made, as it pertains to this, was about the construction of the playoff teams. No one is saying "Lets become the Caps or Jets". The way this team has played has to change. The way that it was formerly constructed has to change.

What needs to change the talent level ... it's literally that simple. We are making this out to be more difficult than it is. We are so quick to point fingers but the bottom line is we are not an elite level talent team. We have some nice pieces (Zib, Kreider, Hank even now, Buch, Shatty if he's healthy, Skjei, Hayes, Chytil, Andersson, Pionk, and maybe DeAngelo) which is a good start, but you need talent across all 4 lines and depth at the blue line ... LONG WAY TO GO.

 

[True Blue]

What needs to change the talent level ... it's literally that simple. We are making this out to be more difficult than it is. We are so quick to point fingers but the bottom line is we are not an elite level talent team. We have some nice pieces (Zib, Kreider, Hank even now, Buch, Shatty if he's healthy, Skjei, Hayes, Chytil, Andersson, Pionk, and maybe DeAngelo) which is a good start, but you need talent across all 4 lines and depth at the blue line ... LONG WAY TO GO.

Changing the talent is not the only thing that this team needs to change. AV absolutely wussified this team. They need to be tougher to play against. They need not to be afraid to go into corners or the front of the net. They need not to be afraid to engage players to clear them out of the crease. They need to be able to do something besides poke check in order to separate an opposing player from the puck. And they need to remember to stand up for their teammates.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Changing the talent is not the only thing that this team needs to change. AV absolutely wussified this team. They need to be tougher to play against. They need not to be afraid to go into corners or the front of the net. They need not to be afraid to engage players to clear them out of the crease. They need to be able to do something besides poke check in order to separate an opposing player from the puck. And they need to remember to stand up for their teammates.

One of the things I've liked about Quinn so far is he's not talked about being harder to play against, but also defined what that means to him.

I'm not sure that AV wussified the team. I didn't see a whole lot of interest in playing tough on the roster.

 

[GregSirico]

Changing the talent is not the only thing that this team needs to change. AV absolutely wussified this team. They need to be tougher to play against. They need not to be afraid to go into corners or the front of the net. They need not to be afraid to engage players to clear them out of the crease. They need to be able to do something besides poke check in order to separate an opposing player from the puck. And they need to remember to stand up for their teammates.

I don't know about "wussified" the team, I think he had them play a completely different style.

 

[True Blue]

I don't know about "wussified" the team, I think he had them play a completely different style.

Gotta disagree. That game in Nashville became the epitome of what they have become. Two head injuries and not even a dirty look.

 

[True Blue]

One of the things I've liked about Quinn so far is he's not talked about being harder to play against, but also defined what that means to him.

I'm not sure that AV wussified the team. I didn't see a whole lot of interest in playing tough on the roster.

I have liked that as well about him. You are right, there was no interest. But that always starts at the top. And AV was the head of the snake.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I have liked that as well about him. You are right, there was no interest. But that always starts at the top. And AV was the head of the snake.

Chicken or egg thing? Did AV wussify the team or did Slats not provide the players who play that way?

 

[McRanger]

Not having a guy to throw a huge hit or punch someone in the face after a dirty play is a personnel problem.

Not cycling or forchecking, which is where most of the hits that actually matter happen, is a system and coaching problem.

The latter is about 500000 times more important than the former.

 

[True Blue]

Not having a guy to throw a huge hit or punch someone in the face after a dirty play is a personnel problem.

Not cycling or forchecking, which is where most of the hits that actually matter happen, is a system and coaching problem.

The latter is about 500000 times more important than the former.

I tend to agree with this. Which is my point. Toughness starts with a mind set. That mind set needs to be instilled by the coach.