Team Canada Report Card (Forwards)

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  1. Kritty

    Kritty Registered User

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    Patrice Bergeron - A+ - This was a no brainer. He has absolutely dominated when he's been on the ice. You can see that he has pro experience in the way he plays the game. Great vision, sweet hands, nice playmaker, and has had a very physical element. He's been everything I expected and more.

    Sidney Crosby - B - I may get some flack from people on this one but I haven't been overly impressed with him. You can see the skill level, and a surprising physical element, but he hasn't dominated like I expected. Aside from the powerplay, he's been relatively ineffective. I have no doubts that will change in the playoff round.

    Corey Perry - B - If Perry had better wheels, it would be scary to imagine what he could do on the ice. Great hands, good vision, hard and accurate shot and great hockey sense. He really controls the play when he's on the ice. Only drawback is his skating.

    Jeff Carter - A - Has been dominant when he's on the ice, but hasn't put up the big numbers many expected. He is definitely justifying the Flyers taking him so early in the draft. He's got all the tools and he's showing that. A man among boys out there.

    Andrew Ladd - C - Nothing special to this point. Last game was better but with little on the line. Solid forechecker, has some skills but hasn't put it all together yet. On another Canadian team, I think he would be more noticeable as a scorer.

    Ryan Getzlaf - C - Another one that I will probably get some opposition too. I just haven't been impressed with Getzlaf. Big kid, but doesn't use his size to his advantage. Big league shot and release, but hasn't scored consistently. The big problem I've seen with Getzlaf is his decision making. He seems to make poor decisions on the ice.

    Nigel Dawes - C - Disappointed in Dawes' play to this point. Great wheels, nice hands, but looks to be out of place if he isn't scoring goals. One dimensional player to this point. Seems like he needs top line minutes to be effective, like last year.

    Mike Richards - A - What else can you say about him. He's not the big scorer this year, but he's doing everything else. Physical, PK, great leader, energy guy, and has shown up on the scoresheet as well.

    Anthony Stewart - C - Another guy that I expected to absolutely dominate but it hasn't happened. All the skills are there but he's lacking something. Not sure what it is. Maybe he just needs to be motivated with some better competition.

    Stephen Dixon - B - Nothing flashy, but solid. He's done what he has been asked to do and has done it well. Solid on the PK and the forecheck. Energy player to a T.

    Clarke Macarthur - A - Arguably the top Canadian forward to this point. He's been very solid at both ends of the ice and has shown a scoring touch that many probably didn't think he had. He's made a believer out of me.

    Colin Fraser - A/B - I was unsure where to slot Fraser. I was one that was questioning this decision to take Fraser until I thought about the fact that he is Sutter's captain. And now seeing him on the ice, I can see why he's there. Very solid at both ends of the ice and has put up some offence. Nice player.

    Jeremy Colliton - INC. - It's too bad Colliton has been hurt. I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do with scoring line ice time. I've liked his development this year and I think he would have worked well with Crosby and Bergeron.
     
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    I'd flip Ladd and Perry's grades.
     
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    I'd give Perry a B+ and if you ask me, Ladd has played above expectations.
     
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    I'd rank Getzlaf higher. Where he lacks offensively, he more than makes up defensively. I'd give Geztlaf a B or B+
     
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    Any reasoning behind these changes?
     
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    The scary part of this whole equation is that Canada has thoroughly dominated the opposition each and every game, and still they have these weapons in their arsenal that have yet to strike. Stewart, Dawes, and Richards were the go to guys last year. But under Sutter's system if you're not putting the puck in, make sure you are doing all of the little things to keep the puck out of your own net, and the players to a man have bought in. This team is built for gold, not to pad their individual stats, although they have done a nice job of both so far.
     
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    And as usual, you are right on.
     
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    Awesome list, I agree with everything except Getzlaf and Perry. Getzlaf has been a tad inconsistent but he has had excellent bursts, and while not deserving an A, i'd put him as a B, maybe B +. Perry has racked up quite a few assists but has not impressed me that much. He is a bit slow as mentioned and is not great defensively. With this in mind, he hasn't been bad by any stretch and has made a few excellent passes. I'd say he has been a C+, maybe a B- to this point.
     
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    Not a bad list but for 3 changes as far as I'm concerned. I'd go Perry - C, Getzlaf - B and Ladd - B. Perry really hasn't impressed me at all, I think Jeff Glass could beat him in a foot race in full equipment and Ladd and Getzlaf have played pretty well in the last 3 games. They are both in the top 10 points leaders I belive. I don't know how you call that a C.
     
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    Totally agree. He's got the skills to pay the bills, but it seems like he thinks a dumb, lazy penalty each game is obligatory. I'm pretty sure it's not.
     
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    he plays dumb hockey IMO. Takes at least a penalty a game and for no bloody reason but to use his stick. Useless player.
     
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    I think Crosby has done more that just be a PP specialist. He's had many chances at even strength and has dominated down low in the corners or along the boards. Remember he is only 17 and is at the top of the scoring parade. Even Ovechkin has more than half of his goals on the PP. On a team that rolls four lines and for playing out of position Crosby is doing very, very well. He gets absolutely no PK time and with all the penalties Canada has taken in some games, it affects the ice-time of all players on Team Canada. I would hazard a guess Crosby and co. don't get as much ice-time in total as compared with some the other teams top players, but if Canada was 1 or 2 line team his totals could be far different. I'm not saying Crosby should be an 'A' or anything cuz I don't really care, just thought I'd state some facts.
     
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    just c'ant understand why they choose an injured Colliton instead of a Fehr, Monych, Bolland, Meyer.
    Colliton was injured before the deadline.
    Last year they didn't risk to choose a injured Ian White but made this season an exception for Colliton.
    Too bad for Canada.
     
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    Kritty,your ratings seem very biased.They don't reflect the games I saw.
     
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    Pretty stingy with the A pluses, MacArthur and Carter have been beyond great and keep in mind MacArthur hasn't even played much on the PP.
     
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    Is this guy telling the truth? :eek: I haven't seen anything from this WJC, so ...
     
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    He sure takes too mahy penalties (this knocks also his season in Calgary) but call him a useless player and " plays dumb hockey"?
    Useless post.
     
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    That could be because that is where the majority of his minutes have come. The PCB line has, aside from a few shifts in the Finland game - and to be honest Crosby made some pretty dumb moves trying to be extra fancy with the puck, controlled the puck in the offensive zone continually. All three players have been in the corners trying to dig out pucks, have thrown a few hits, and have punished the opposition defense how they are supposed to by keeping them on their heels.

    More could be done, but I think you will also begin to see that. They have lost a few assists because there is no goal judge at the games. Perry lost 2 in the first game and in fact would have lost a third in the game against Sweden but Jim Cressman made a comment to some officials in the press box and a second assist was awarded on a play where Perry passed the puck down to Bergeron, who passed it to Crosby for a goal. It was a quick play and the second assist initially wasn't awarded. Bergeron also lost an assist on Perry's first goal against Finland as he had passed the puck to Phaneuf who's shot went off the back boards and right out to Perry who knocked it in. I believe Crosby is also short 2 assists.

    So technically that line should have been responsible for 11 (Bergeron) + 9 (Crosby) + 7 (Perry) for 27 points instead of the 22 that they are accounted for.

    Overall I don't mind the reviews, although I can't see what more MacArthur could do to get an A+, I know he was expected to be an important role player for the team, but his defensive play and offensive production has been one of the best things for Canada.

    And despite less offensive production, I don't know what more you could expect from Richards as he has constantly been on dominant penalty kills as the captain.
     
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    Getzlaf has played very well. In my opinion he deserves a B.
     
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    Everyone has been taking dumb penalties. They're all used to the O, Q, and W where they can get away with certain things. They have to gradually adapt to the international refs being stingy. Even Crosby and Phaneuf took dumb penalties in the first few games.
     
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    Well that's your opinion on these are mine. I provided reasoning behind my grades, which you haven't. You are just saying you disagree and think I'm biased. I don't see how. I guess you watched different games than I did.
     
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    Hindsight is always 20/20. Colliton came back and was apparently ready until the fluke fall the swede made on his leg. I could see replacing him with bolland or maybe meyer but fehr is a goal scorer not a 2 way player so i don't htink he would have been a good fit, not that it matters anymore. Hopefully Colliton will be able to make a medal game
     
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    i havent cared for Getzlaf's play. He seems lazy to me.

    id agree with the Perry part, but you must have expected very little from Ladd if you think he's played above expectations imo. He looks slow and seems to have very average skills.
    i have no idea how he went so high in the draft. If he makes the NHL it seems to me he makes it as a classic 3rd line mucker.
     
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    They didn't think his injury was serious enough to warrant him getting cut... It was fine until Phanuef threw a hit in the round robin and the opposing player landed on Colliton and his knee buckled... This is what took him out of the tournament (this was after the deadline)

    It's unfortuante, but other guys are getting more ice and the teams rolling well right now..

    GO CANADA BEAT THE CZECHS!
     
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