Team 1968 vs Team 1980

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Which team is better?

Poll closed Nov 8, 2018.
  1. Team 1968

    11.1%
  2. Team 1980

    88.9%
  1. blogofmike

    blogofmike Registered User

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    Choose your team based on performance from that year only. Teams are derived from the best of the NEW additions to the NHL (anyone who played in 66-67 or 78-79, can't be new. Previous NHL experience is allowed from any other years. See Zeidel and Hucul.)

    I would say that this is indicative of how capable these new players were immediately, and how strong the incoming talent pool was during the E6 expansion vs the WHA merger - but it's not.

    1968 had 150% as many new teams as 1980, so their talent pool's contribution to the competitiveness of the NHL is relatively weaker than it looks here:

    Team 1968
    Ted Irvine, 40 PTS, -9Eddie Joyal, 57 PTS - 20th, -2Bill Flett, 46 PTS - T41st, +4
    Bill Sutherland, 29 PTS, +1Jacques Lemaire, 42 PTS - T52nd, +15Gerry Ehman, 44 PTS - T46th, -5
    Charlie Burns, 35 PTS, -11Ed Hoekstra, 36 PTS, +5Gary Dornhoefer, 43 PTS, +6
    Brian Smith, 19 PTS, +2Gene Ubriaco, 33 PTS, -11Frank St. Marseille, 32 PTS, +11

    Mike McMahon, 47 PTS - T39th, -14Bill White, 38 PTS, +14
    Larry Zeidel, 11 PTS, +12Fred Hucul, 15 PTS, -3
    Barclay Plager, 20 PTS, +3Bob Plager, 7 PTS, -10

    Wayne Rutledge, 21-15-5, .897, 2.88 GAA
    Doug Favell, 16-15-7, .931 (T3rd), 2.27 GAA

    Outside of the Calder (which they didn't win), Team 1968 didn't get any award voting attention.

    Team 1980

    Brian Propp, 75 PTS - T33rd, +45 - T6thWayne Gretzky (Hart), 137 PTS - T1st, +14Blair MacDonald, 94 PTS - T10th, 0
    Morris Lukowich, 74 PTS - T37th, -16Mike Rogers, 105 PTS - 5th, +28Blaine Stoughton (goal leader), 100 PTS - 8th, +10
    Michel Goulet, 54 PTS, -10Kent Nilsson, 93 PTS - T12th, -3Real Cloutier, 89 PTS - 18th, -5
    Dave Hunter, 43 PTS, +7Dave Keon, 62 PTS, -13Mike Gartner, 68 PTS, +16

    Mark Howe, 80 PTS - 24th, +14Ray Bourque (AS-1), 65 PTS, +52 - 2nd
    Paul Reinhart, 47 PTS, +11Risto Siltanen, 35 PTS, -9
    Pekka Rautakallio, 30 PTS, +22Mike Busniuk, 20 PTS, +39

    Mike Liut, 32(1st)-23-9, .895, 3.18 GAA
    Jiri Crha, 8-7-0, .908 (1st*), 3.62 GAA

    The 1980 new talent pool had layers who led the league in goals, assists, points, Wins, save percentage(*15 GP by Crha, but it beats anyone with over 1 GP). Bourque was 2nd in Plus Minus. Bourque and Howe were 4th and 5th in Norris voting. Howe was the top scorer for defenders. Gretzky won the Hart. Rich Preston was a 30-goal scorer who got Selke votes, but he's not here because there are no Selke votes possible for team 1968.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Pominville Knows

    Pominville Knows Induct me allready :/

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    Are you kidding us, or what?
     
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  3. blogofmike

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    Maybe. Just remember to say that if someone tries comparing the dilution of talent in Expansion 67 with the concentration of talent Post-Merger.

    You know, if any projects are coming up soon...
     
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  4. Mike Farkas

    Mike Farkas Grace Personified

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    I think everyone read the thread's dubious intent...that's why it was wholly ignored. In a baseball game, sometimes it's the 9th inning and you're down 8-0 and you know it's over for you...you're not really trying like you would in a 2-1 game, right? You'll chop at a few pitches to see if you can crush one, but nothing more than that because it's 8-0, right? Well, in this case, the OP is down 16-0...we can focus our attention on non-troll posts and all be better off for it...
     
  5. blogofmike

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    That could be the score of this hypothetical game too.

    New 79-80 talent made the league stronger post-merger. The 67-68 talent pool weakened the league post-Expansion.
     
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