Speculation: TDL (02/24) Discussion

[Gecklund]

I thought it just went by standings

It does but then I think other claims go into affect.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I mean, I think we can all agree that DW's plan didn't work. At the same time, it probably would have been okay if all of the best players didn't inexplicably regress. We all knew the forwards weren't as good as most other teams' but the great defensive corps was supposed to take some of the offensive burden. They were REALLY underwhelming as a unit, so not only did they not help out the forwards as expected, they became a liability. The forwards, needed this help, and didn't get it. The forwards were underwhelming in their own right, and Jones was, well, as expected. I think it's fair to say that the only players who have exceeded expectations this year are Dell, Marleau, Goodrow, and Ferraro. Yikes.

More than the make up of the team, which shouldn't have been as bad as it is, I think I blame DW most for hanging on to DeBoer too long.

The regression outside of Timo isn't inexplicable. NHL aging curves are a real thing and a lot of our guys are coming up on major inflection points.

 

[SnarkAttack]

The regression outside of Timo isn't inexplicable. NHL aging curves are a real thing and a lot of our guys are coming up on major inflection points.

Regression, for sure. Cliff diving, not so much. At exactly the same time, really unlikely.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Regression, for sure. Cliff diving, not so much. At exactly the same time, really unlikely.

Yes, that’s a very fair point. Any solid model which predicted the future performance of these players based on aging curve and prior performance would have probably still predicted a much better performance out of them.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

ok here we go. Dell and Heed to the canes for their 1st round pick this summer, leafs former pick.

what do u all think?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

ok here we go. Dell and Heed to the canes for their 1st round pick this summer, leafs former pick.

what do u all think?

LOL. If we can land that it will be a fleecing. Dell + Heed is not worth that a 1st. A 2nd maybe.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

LOL. If we can land that it will be a fleecing. Dell + Heed is not worth that a 1st. A 2nd maybe.

yeah, im counting on DWs ability to be the only option.

perhaps we add a prospect or mid level pick to make it happen.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

yeah, im counting on DWs ability to be the only option.

perhaps we add a prospect or mid level pick to make it happen.

Yeah. This kind of wizardry maybe beyond DW's level ..

But if the Canes cannot land Bogosian, they may be a little desperate.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's pretty simple really. Wards higher pedigree and accomplishments should have made his worth at a minimum equal to what Jones was as a UFA or really, Jones as a UFA shouldn't have been worth so much more than Ward. Still baffled? Or in simplest terms, Jones got far more than his experience showed he was worth.

Sorry but RFA and UFA are not comparable from the get-go. The rest of what you say doesn’t matter after that. Jones didn’t get more than he was worth and wasn’t paid as one of the best. He got paid pretty much middle of the road for starters which is what he was plus exceptional playoff numbers.

 

[Alaskanice]

I don’t normally make proposals but it was posted that Kreider and the Rangers can’t agree on a contract.
Burns to the Blueshirts for Kreider, Georgiev and draft pick?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don’t normally make proposals but it was posted that Kreider and the Rangers can’t agree on a contract.
Burns to the Blueshirts for Kreider, Georgiev and draft pick?

So we give up Burns for a rental that probably won’t stay, an unproven young goalie, and a draft pick? I think they could do better from Dallas.

 

[ktice]

I don’t normally make proposals but it was posted that Kreider and the Rangers can’t agree on a contract.
Burns to the Blueshirts for Kreider, Georgiev and draft pick?

This is what DW needs to do if he's really committed to a retool instead of a rebuild. Add top 6 forwards and reallocate one of the big cap hits on the D to the forwards. I'd have extended Dillon if this move were a possibility, though.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This is what DW needs to do if he's really committed to a retool instead of a rebuild. Add top 6 forwards and reallocate one of the big cap hits on the D to the forwards. I'd have extended Dillon if this move were a possibility, though.

Except the odds of re-signing Kreider to make it worth it is very slim.

 

[Sysreq]

This is what DW needs to do if he's really committed to a retool instead of a rebuild. Add top 6 forwards and reallocate one of the big cap hits on the D to the forwards. I'd have extended Dillon if this move were a possibility, though.

There is no reason not to trade him though. By all accounts Dillion loved playing in San Jose. All it would take is DW planting the idea in his head that we would definitely be willing to resign him. He doesn't have to resign anywhere. If he holds out to UFA, San Jose is as likely a destination as any. Same thing with Thornton, Marleau, etc.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

I don’t normally make proposals but it was posted that Kreider and the Rangers can’t agree on a contract.
Burns to the Blueshirts for Kreider, Georgiev and draft pick?

DW isn't trading for expiring contracts like Kreider. That makes very little sense for the direction of the franchise. He's already said he wanted to stay out east too so the Sharks likely have no chance in hell at resigning him. Burns will be worth a lot more than a goaltending prospect, a pick and an expiring contract. Unless of course the pick is a 1st? Even then the Sharks better get more for a D-man who puts up Burns level point production.

 

[SnarkAttack]

Sharks need to trade Couture to a contender who needs a "playoff warrior." He's not that good in the season, and something tells me that he won't get a chance to dominate the playoffs in the near future for us. We could probably get something pretty good, just based on playoff history.

 

[Internazionale]

I don’t normally make proposals but it was posted that Kreider and the Rangers can’t agree on a contract.
Burns to the Blueshirts for Kreider, Georgiev and draft pick?

I'd rather re-sign Dell than get Georgiev.

 

[Harbessix]

Sharks should try to grab a few reclamation projects tomorrow, Tyson Jost and Lias Andersson come to mind.

 

[Pistol Pete]

Sharks should try to grab a few reclamation projects tomorrow, Tyson Jost and Lias Andersson come to mind.

Borgstrom and Milano are my targets.

 

[LadyStanley]

Cross off another name

 

[Barrie22]

Trade marleau and thornton to the caps. Old 4th line of kovy, marleau and thornton

 

[Friday]

If the Sharks dont trade Jumbo I cant even find a reason to watch after this deadline haha

 

[Lebanezer]

If the Sharks dont trade Jumbo I cant even find a reason to watch after this deadline haha

There isn’t one even if he is traded.

 

[Dicdonya]

Sharks need to trade Couture to a contender who needs a "playoff warrior." He's not that good in the season, and something tells me that he won't get a chance to dominate the playoffs in the near future for us. We could probably get something pretty good, just based on playoff history.

Absolutely agreed. I also think of all our expensive contracts, Cooch probably holds the most value. He is not on a massive contract like Karlsson, he is not at a precarious age like Burns is, and he is earning his contract unlike Vlasic, and he does not have a rep like Kane.

That being said, I have less than zero confidence that DW would actually trade him now.

 

[Friday]

There isn’t one even if he is traded.

You wouldnt watch Jumbo lift a cup even if he was playing for the Pens? Id be so pumped for him