Confirmed with Link: [TBL/NYR] Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek, 1st rd pk, con. 2nd for J.T. Miller & Ryan McDonagh

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  1. Buchnevich89

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    Thank you. If I knew this was TBL territory, I would have chosen my words more carefully, but even so, I don't feel like I said anything that bad.
     
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    welp... this hurts. never liked this trade from the start. it was fair value but we went after the wrong defenseman.

    watch us resign this broken-down guy for a big contract too.
     
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    We also got Marc Staal and Lundqvist if you interested and AV is available, he and Bowness almost won in Vancouver.
     
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    Is there a reverse button?
     
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    Names would have scored like 15 goals against the caps and our offence wouldn't have dried up :sarcasm:
     
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    I seem to recall being widely bashed for suggesting that we not go after McDonagh or Karlsson and simply pay a lesser price for a solid defenseman who can at least keep Sustr and Dotchin off the ice without costing us too much of our prospect pool. McDonagh played like hot garbage and now we don’t have Howden or Hajek (not to mention a first and a second.)

    This core doesn’t seem to have what it takes and this trade cost us a good chunk of our potential future core. Anybody else wish we had a big-bodied forward like Howden to throw against teams like the Caps? Hajek’s more hit or miss but if he hits we’re going to miss having him on our blue line alongside Serg and Foote in a couple years. Yzerman bet the future to win now and McDonagh did nothing against the Caps to contribute to that.
     
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    Stammertime91 Keep on keepin' on!

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    And he couldn't cut it. The #1D on the Rangers played the worst out of our entire defensive core. He was a pylon this series and played terrible. Every player was bad this round as a whole minus Vasy. Point tried. Stamkos had 3 games of at least hitting a one timer. Hedman had two decent games. Not going to cut it when 17 skaters bottle it though.

    McDonagh sucked ass this round. Face it.
     
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    Anybody miss Namestnikov?

    Was McD playing with some injuries?
     
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    McD had a good start to the playoffs with a bunch of nice assists. He and Strålman did a good job of shutting down Hall and the Bergeron/Marchand/Pasternak lines. But yeah, McD sucked in this final series.
     
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    He usually was when he was with us. Wouldn't be surprised if he was.
     
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    berlin wait...... what?

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    No and probably.
     
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    Well that's not true. I saw every game and outside the first 2, that's not even remotely true. Was he good? No. He had some nice blocks and broke up some plays, but didn't control the game at all. None of them did. Hedman has a lot of bad turnovers. Girardi got caught flat-foot footed. They blocked some shots and broke up some plays, but their entire defense struggled with the pressure Washington put on them.

    McDonagh looked slower this round than he did the previous 2. Maybe he was injured, no clue. He always seemed to get injured and played through it in the playoffs with us. I don't recall him ever having a healthy playoff.
     
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    Mac Truck losing steam has been a recent trend. He would play very well then have 4 to 5 games where he looked gassed. Wear and tear I guess, but he will have trouble getting elite dollars. 5 x5 sounds about right.
     
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    He was God awful. Hedman, Sergachev and Coburn were all better. Undeniably. Stralman was better. It comes down to him and Girardi. Put them where you want but I think Girardi had a fine postseason except this round. McDonagh looked awful. Can't even begin to dupe me there. I watched every game too, he was not better than 4, about on par with Girardi who actually got an overtime gwg.
     
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    Well mcdonagh is under control next season if we win the cup next year then it’s a huge trade win by yzerman
     
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    McDonagh looked good in the Boston round, then like most of our team, fell off a cliff in the 3rd round
     
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    We have McD for a whole year at a reasonable cost. Hes a proven solid top 2 man. Hedman McD surge strals, then dump the rest. Cernak looked good this year bring him up.

    Trade Miller and/or killorn for picks to get some futures back.
     
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    I didn't watch the first game of the series, but thought Mac was better at the last two. Esp. offensively. Not sure about the point of putting all the blame for the entire tire-fire defense mostly on him, when the team D as a whole struggled mightly. I don't remember which game, but when we did have better teamD, it was our forwards doing much better job to help our teamD.
    As quite a few fans (not only here) have already pointed out, our D system seems to be having an issue for quite some time(you see that for our passive PK, too) and I'm losing faith in our D coach, sort of.
     
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    You make a good point that McD should not shoulder sole blame for the defensive lapses in that last series. The blue line has done very well when they've gotten proper support from the forwards. That was another thing that Yzerman touched on in his last interview. He said something along the lines of the defense needing to improve doesn't necessarily refer to just the goalie and defensemen but that the whole team needs to improve defensively.

    When I start feeling like ragging on McD, I just need to remind myself of how he and Stråls shut down one of the best lines in the league during the Boston series and one of the hottest forwards in Taylor Hall. Those were terrific performances from both of them that showed once again, that in Yzerman we should trust. :laugh:
     
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    When yzerman trades for guys hint coburn and callahan he resigned them to new deals I expect him to try that with miller and mack truck.
     
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    Maybe McDonagh but I dont see us resigning Miller unless its for a cap friendly number. Word was that he wanted around 5? I dont think we do that.
     
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    I have no idea what he will do with miller? we can pay him for this coming year 5 million next year i'd just go to arbration with him don't do a long term deal with him unless we can unload johnson then id pay miller long term.
     
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    stop playing McDonagh with Girardi thats the problem with mcdonagh
     
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    We were better when we played Girardi with Coburn. Problem was we didnt have anybody playing with Hedman. Sergachev and Stralman wasnt a bad pairing either. Maybe a McDonagh Hedman pairing would have worked.
     
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