Confirmed with Link: [TBL/NYR] Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek, 1st rd pk, con. 2nd for J.T. Miller & Ryan McDonagh

[Vasilevskiy]

Yeah, Miller is easily a better player than Names. We will see how much he asks for and what Yzerman does though, hopefully trading Killorn to keep Miller

 

[Hoek]

I haven't seen this supposed inconsistency yet. He's often been one of the few guys to show up to our bad games.

My only question mark left is playoffs. His numbers there are so bad compared to Killorn. But now we can compare them side by side.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

I haven't seen this supposed inconsistency yet. He's often been one of the few guys to show up to our bad games.

My only question mark left is playoffs. His numbers there are so bad compared to Killorn. But now we can compare them side by side.

If anything, he's been our most consistent forward.

 

[Cmac66]

I haven't seen this supposed inconsistency yet. He's often been one of the few guys to show up to our bad games.

My only question mark left is playoffs. His numbers there are so bad compared to Killorn. But now we can compare them side by side.

In all fairness when he was at the rangers he didn't have a Kucherov or Stamkos type of player on he's line, be interesting to see what type of numbers he gets during the play offs for us.

 

[The Macho King]

In all fairness when he was at the rangers he didn't have a Kucherov or Stamkos type of player on he's line, be interesting to see what type of numbers he gets during the play offs for us.

While he definitely benefits from that, he also creates a lot of offense and space.

It's easy to put up points with them. He'll, Namestnikov could do it so how hard can it be. But Miller creates a lot as well. Namestnikov never was more than a passenger, but Miller *fits*.

 

[Cmac66]

While he definitely benefits from that, he also creates a lot of offense and space.

It's easy to put up points with them. He'll, Namestnikov could do it so how hard can it be. But Miller creates a lot as well. Namestnikov never was more than a passenger, but Miller *fits*.

Couldn't agree more, Miller forechecking is outstanding and allows both stammer and Kuch more space to get shots on net. There were a small minority of rangers fans who said that miller is lazy and would only show up once every so often, looks the complete opposite and is a great addition to that line.

 

[AndreRoy]

Miller >> Namestnikov.

I don't care how inconsistent he is. It's not like Namestnikov is Mr. Consistency.

It's really not close between these two. That part of the deal alone made it a robbery.

Yeah, I’ve actually been liking the Miller-Namestnikov swap more than the McDonagh part of the deal so far. Hopefully he gets it together before the playoffs as we simply can’t have him making so many bonehead turnovers in our defensive zone. He obviously brings more positives to the table than Dotchin or Sustr but for what we paid for him we need him to be a consistent stabilizing force on our blue line and he hasn’t lived up to that.

 

[Alan Wake]

Haha hosed? You don't know much about hockey. Same with everyone that is saying the Rangers got robbed. Either you don't know a lot about hockey, or you hate the Rangers. Let me break it down for you.

1. McDonagh. First of all, McDonagh is kind of overrated. People are acting like he's a top 5 D-man in the league. As someone who routinely watches Rangers games, we all knew as fans that McDonagh is not the same player he once was. Still a great player, but not elite. Second, no one (except maybe Chiarelli or Bergevin) is going to trade a young, cost-controlled player like Sergachev, Point, or Liljegren for an aging D-man like McDonagh. McDonagh is not elite anymore. And even if he was, he's on the wrong side of 28. He has not been very good for the Rangers this year, so naturally, his stock dropped. Also, after hearing McDonagh's contract demands, the Rangers were not going to give him what he wanted, so they traded a guy who they weren't going to sign anyway. Besides, I believe Sergachev and Point are better than him. Not only that, but they have a ton of upside. And like I said, they are cost-controlled and much younger. Youth is valued a lot more in today's NHL. I doubt Yzerman would have even given away Sergachev for Karlsson.

2. Miller and Namestnikov. This I view as a 1 for 1. Miller is a very inconsistent player. Rangers fans appear to be split on him. Some love him. Some hate him. I really liked him, but he was going to ask for a massive pay raise, and the Rangers weren't going to give it to him. It's a similar situation with Namestnikov. I see some TBL fans like him. Some don't. And his stats were inflated by playing alongside Stamkos and Kucherov, so he was going to ask for a big pay raise. But the same thing is going to happen to Miller. Stamkos and Kucherov have inflated his stats. Miller and Vlad are similar players. Honestly, I want the Rangers to trade Vlad while his trade value is still high, unless they can get him for 3.5 mil or less per year. I like his skill, but he also seems inconsistent.

3. Hajek. Hajek immediately becomes the Rangers' best defensive prospect. Experts say he could challenge for a top 4 spot as soon as next season. Even if Hajek is the only player that pans out to his potential from this trade, I will be very happy. Anything more will be a bonus. He was also a last minute add by Yzerman to the trade, so you know Yzerman didn't want to give him up.

4. Howden. I'm not as high on him as some people are, but his value is increasing. He is a safe player. He is not likely to be a bust, but not likely to be anything more than a great 3rd line center. However, I do think it is possible for the Rangers to groom him to become a 2nd line power forward on the wing, kind of like a Kreider-lite. I don't see him as a 2C, but there is potential for him to become a 2nd line winger. More likely that he's a 3C, but only time will tell. Happy with what I see so far with him, although not as thrilled as some Rangers fans.

5. The picks. This draft is very deep, especially in the 1st round. So I'm confident the Rangers pick up a good prospect, even if the pick winds up being 31st overall. And the other pick has a good chance of becoming a 1st. If TBL doesn't win this year, they could still win the following year. They have a hell of a team, so I would not be surprised to see that 2nd rounder turn into a 1st.

All in all, great trade for both teams. Rangers weren't going to re-sign McDonagh, and they get a solid return for him. Could be better, of course, but I'm satisfied. They also rid themselves of a good, but very inconsistent player with concerns about his work ethic. They get a great defensive prospect, a good forward prospect, and the potential for 2 1st round picks. They also get Namestnikov, who could be a solid Miller replacement. He could be a very good pickup. Or he could just be a product of Stamkos and Kucherov. In that case, he is a valuable trading asset.

The Lightning get a proven player with plenty of playoff experience, who could still contribute nicely as a top 4 D-man, for their playoff run. And they take a gamble on Miller, like the gamble the Rangers took on Vlad. Downside is Miller is probably going to cost more than Vlad to the TBL, although he could be a better player than Vlad. And Vlad could be better than him. Point is, there are still a lot of unknowns, and we really won't know who the real winner is going to be until a few years down the road. For now, I believe the Lightning won the trade, but only slightly. The exaggerations are crazy. The way people talk about Yzerman and this trade makes you think he got Karlsson for Girardi and a 1st rounder. People, an aging McDonagh was never going to fetch a young, cost-controlled, superior player like a Sergachev or a Liljegren.

This analysis is pretty hilarious. Especially considering the trade happened a month ago.

If Hajek is the Rangers top defensive prospect... jesus. That's going to be a rough rebuild. The Rangers couldn't even get Callan Foote out of the deal. Who is our best defensive prospect...

You got question marks. We got players that have

 

[Sky04]

This analysis is pretty hilarious. Especially considering the trade happened a month ago.

If Hajek is the Rangers top defensive prospect... jesus. That's going to be a rough rebuild. The Rangers couldn't even get Callan Foote out of the deal. Who is our best defensive prospect...

You got question marks. We got players that have

Don't be stupid, Hajek is a great defensive prospect and very compareable to Foote unless you're all about draft position.

 

[Rempe73]

This analysis is pretty hilarious. Especially considering the trade happened a month ago.

If Hajek is the Rangers top defensive prospect... jesus. That's going to be a rough rebuild. The Rangers couldn't even get Callan Foote out of the deal. Who is our best defensive prospect...

You got question marks. We got players that have

How is it hilarious? Name one thing I said that was incorrect. And I'm commenting because I just found out about hfboards, and I was bored. Is it against the rules to comment on a trade a month after it happened?

Anyways, we don't know how Hajek and Howden will pan out. I'm only speculating. But there's a very good chance he can become a solid top 4 D-man. He has a ton of upside. We have a lot of good defensive prospects, but no one great. The Rangers prospect pool is deep at defense, centers, and goaltending, but they don't have any truly elite prospects. And the reason I say Hajek is our best D prospect is because prospects like Pionk and DeAngelo already graduated to the NHL. And gtfo with Foote. I don't like him.

I don't care if this is going to be a long rebuild. Besides, you'd be surprised. With the amount of picks and prospects the Rangers have, at least a few will become very good players for them sooner rather than later. I just want the Rangers to stop signing old players to long, expensive contracts. If they stop doing that, then everything will take care of itself.

And despite your biases, this was a decent trade for the Rangers. TBL did win, but not by much. And that doesn't upset me, since GMJG usually wins trades (see: Nash trade, Stepan trade, Zibanejad trade, Grabner trade). This is his worst trade, and it wasn't even bad. Teams were being stingy and this is the best offer he received. Also, Karlsson definitely screwed McDonagh's value.

 

[Werewolf]

How is it hilarious? Name one thing I said that was incorrect. And I'm commenting because I just found out about hfboards, and I was bored. Is it against the rules to comment on a trade a month after it happened?

Anyways, we don't know how Hajek and Howden will pan out. I'm only speculating. But there's a very good chance he can become a solid top 4 D-man. He has a ton of upside. We have a lot of good defensive prospects, but no one great. The Rangers prospect pool is deep at defense, centers, and goaltending, but they don't have any truly elite prospects. And the reason I say Hajek is our best D prospect is because prospects like Pionk and DeAngelo already graduated to the NHL. And gtfo with Foote. I don't like him.

I don't care if this is going to be a long rebuild. Besides, you'd be surprised. With the amount of picks and prospects the Rangers have, at least a few will become very good players for them sooner rather than later. I just want the Rangers to stop signing old players to long, expensive contracts. If they stop doing that, then everything will take care of itself.

And despite your biases and/or ignorance, this was a decent trade for the Rangers. TBL did win, but not by much. And that doesn't upset me, since GMJG usually wins trades (see: Nash trade, Stepan trade, Zibanejad trade, Grabner trade). This is his worst trade, and it wasn't even bad. Teams were being stingy and this is the best offer he received. Also, Karlsson definitely screwed McDonagh's value.

This kid is living the vida loca through some rose colored glasses. Get back to your forum homer ... NYR got taken to the cleaners. Not close at all. You don’t like Foote but Hajek is a surefire top 4 d-man? DeAngelo sucks big fat elephant nuts ... have fun with our reject. I love baby nuts over here telling everyone they don’t know anything about hockey while just learning about HF Boards. Either living under a rock way too long or parents just bought you a new computer.

Too much nonesense for me to dissect. Im getting a bit lazy...should just destroy you.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Don't be stupid, Hajek is a great defensive prospect and very compareable to Foote unless you're all about draft position.

hajek is a defensive prospect, and a good one, but he is not at all comparable to foote. not in future projected forecast, not in need, and not in playing styles.

really they couldn't be any further apart. foote is a safe pick and an organizational need, and hajek is a "shoot for the moon" ceiling type player that could be a bust.

 

[TampaJay]

Actually, DeAngelo was the high risk shoot for the moon pick and they traded him for the “safer bet” in Hajek. Not my opinion, here’s Al Murray.

“Tony is one-dimensional right now,” Al Murray, Tampa Bay’s director of amateur scouting, told the Tampa Bay Times’ Joe Smith. “Hajek has offensive ability, not at Tony’s level, but is much more well-rounded and bigger, and probably a safer bet to be able to adapt both offensively and defensively to the NHL.”

TBL clearly saw Hajek as having top 4 potential and low risk for a bust.

 

[Rempe73]

This kid is living the vida loca through some rose colored glasses. Get back to your forum homer ... NYR got taken to the cleaners. Not close at all. You don’t like Foote but Hajek is a surefire top 4 d-man? DeAngelo sucks big fat elephant nuts ... have fun with our reject. I love baby nuts over here telling everyone they don’t know anything about hockey while just learning about HF Boards. Either living under a rock way too long or parents just bought you a new computer.

Too much nonesense for me to dissect. Im getting a bit lazy...should just destroy you.

Ah, I love when people get triggered over absolutely nothing. Too much nonsense? How about you provide evidence, or are you just going to resort to name-calling and personal attacks? You have no substance. In the time it took you to insult someone you don't know, you could have argued at least 2 of my points. Maybe you're trolling. I don't know. You call me a homer, yet you say the trade was "not close at all." I'm the one that's saying the Lightning won the trade. Jeez dude, relax.

I don't like Foote because of his play style. And I don't like "safe" picks that much. That's why I prefer Hajek. Even Lightning fans agree with me that Hajek is a good prospect. Yes, he's boom or bust, but the potential is there.

Your comment about DeAngelo shows me you know nothing about hockey. He's been our 2nd best D-man with Shattenkirk out. He still needs work defensively, but he has been noticeably improving if you watch the games. Offensively, he drives play very well. His corsi is the best among NYR defensemen. He is very boom or bust, but at worst, he's a solid #5 or #6 PP specialist D-man. And at best, he's a #3 defenseman. The jury is still out on him.

I'm not telling everyone they don't know anything about hockey. You seem to be very defensive about that. Did I hit a little too close to home?

And yes, you're completely right. How can someone know anything about hockey if they don't know about hfboards? How silly of me. I can't believe I wasted all this time watching every Rangers game and sometimes other teams, when all I had to do was go on hfboards and boom. Instant hockey expert.

In all seriousness, though, I did know about hfboards, but I never bothered to create an account until last week. I meant that I just found out about this section of hfboards. My bad for the misunderstanding.

I don't know what you're so mad about. The Lightning (aka Rangers South) are a great team. I would love to see them win the cup with McDonagh and Miller. Yzerman is a top 5 GM in the league. I would put him higher, but I didn't like the Girardi signing. And yes, he won that trade. All I'm saying is that it is a closer trade than people seem to believe. That's all. Lightning fans see this as a homerun not because of the players they traded away, but because of the players they didn't have to trade away. But the fact is, 2 potential 1st round picks, Hajek, and Howden is a solid return for McDonagh, someone the NYR weren't going to re-sign anyway. It's not an amazing return, but I'm content with it. Other GMs were not willing to offer as much. People see the name McDonagh and they immediately think superstar D-man. I don't blame them. He is still a great player, but not as good as he once was. And that's normal when players get older. But his game will not age well, in my opinion.

But yea, do you really think Yzerman would have traded Serg or Point even for Karlsson? Let alone McDonagh. McDonagh for Serg straight up would never happen in a million years.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Actually, DeAngelo was the high risk shoot for the moon pick and they traded him for the “safer bet” in Hajek. Not my opinion, here’s Al Murray.

“Tony is one-dimensional right now,” Al Murray, Tampa Bay’s director of amateur scouting, told the Tampa Bay Times’ Joe Smith. “Hajek has offensive ability, not at Tony’s level, but is much more well-rounded and bigger, and probably a safer bet to be able to adapt both offensively and defensively to the NHL.”

TBL clearly saw Hajek as having top 4 potential and low risk for a bust.

safer than deangelo is a pretty low bar, my friend.

but i don't disagree with you.

 

[Werewolf]

Ah, I love when people get triggered over absolutely nothing. Too much nonsense? How about you provide evidence, or are you just going to resort to name-calling and personal attacks? You have no substance. In the time it took you to insult someone you don't know, you could have argued at least 2 of my points. Maybe you're trolling. I don't know. You call me a homer, yet you say the trade was "not close at all." I'm the one that's saying the Lightning won the trade. Jeez dude, relax.

I don't like Foote because of his play style. And I don't like "safe" picks that much. That's why I prefer Hajek. Even Lightning fans agree with me that Hajek is a good prospect. Yes, he's boom or bust, but the potential is there.

Your comment about DeAngelo shows me you know nothing about hockey. He's been our 2nd best D-man with Shattenkirk out. He still needs work defensively, but he has been noticeably improving if you watch the games. Offensively, he drives play very well. His corsi is the best among NYR defensemen. He is very boom or bust, but at worst, he's a solid #5 or #6 PP specialist D-man. And at best, he's a #3 defenseman. The jury is still out on him.

I'm not telling everyone they don't know anything about hockey. You seem to be very defensive about that. Did I hit a little too close to home?

And yes, you're completely right. How can someone know anything about hockey if they don't know about hfboards? How silly of me. I can't believe I wasted all this time watching every Rangers game and sometimes other teams, when all I had to do was go on hfboards and boom. Instant hockey expert.

In all seriousness, though, I did know about hfboards, but I never bothered to create an account until last week. I meant that I just found out about this section of hfboards. My bad for the misunderstanding.

I don't know what you're so mad about. The Lightning (aka Rangers South) are a great team. I would love to see them win the cup with McDonagh and Miller. Yzerman is a top 5 GM in the league. I would put him higher, but I didn't like the Girardi signing. And yes, he won that trade. All I'm saying is that it is a closer trade than people seem to believe. That's all. Lightning fans see this as a homerun not because of the players they traded away, but because of the players they didn't have to trade away. But the fact is, 2 potential 1st round picks, Hajek, and Howden is a solid return for McDonagh, someone the NYR weren't going to re-sign anyway. It's not an amazing return, but I'm content with it. Other GMs were not willing to offer as much. People see the name McDonagh and they immediately think superstar D-man. I don't blame them. He is still a great player, but not as good as he once was. And that's normal when players get older. But his game will not age well, in my opinion.

But yea, do you really think Yzerman would have traded Serg or Point even for Karlsson? Let alone McDonagh. McDonagh for Serg straight up would never happen in a million years.

"Triggered" ... you must be a teeny-bopper. Listen baby nuts, I'm not the one writting walls of text on another team's forum on consecutive days. LMAO ... how delusional are you? You know nothing about Hajek. I'm about the first one on here that wrote about him and I've seen him through rookie camps and prospect tournaments. There is absolutely nothing you can add to the conversation about knowledge on this prospect to me. Fact is ... he is not going to sniff NHL ice with the Lightning any time soon, if ever. You should rest easy knowing that your top two defensive prospects would not play on our top 6 ... ever.

Your second best defenseman, aka "DeAngelo" is absolute garbage. Have fun with a defender that in order to get shots (your reference about CORSI hahahah) ... gives up about the most scoring chances in high danger areas in the entire league. Your best possession player is also a -18 and please tell me what percentage of his Zone Starts are in the offensive zone. LMAO baby nuts ... have fun with DeAngelo. Let me just crush your dreams right here and now ... he gets 70% Offensive Zone starts and only has a 52% CORSI and is a -18!. How The F&^% is a defender that gets 70% offensive zone starts a -18!! Oh my God I'm dying here. McDonagh got most of the defensive zone starts in NY ... learn to read stats baby nuts.

Fact is Rangers are our farm club. You get farmed on the ice ... and you get farmed in trades. Have fun with the rebuild ... !

 

[Rempe73]

"Triggered" ... you must be a teeny-bopper. Listen baby nuts, I'm not the one writting walls of text on another team's forum on consecutive days. LMAO ... how delusional are you? You know nothing about Hajek. I'm about the first one on here that wrote about him and I've seen him through rookie camps and prospect tournaments. There is absolutely nothing you can add to the conversation about knowledge on this prospect to me. Fact is ... he is not going to sniff NHL ice with the Lightning any time soon, if ever. You should rest easy knowing that your top two defensive prospects would not play on our top 6 ... ever.

Your second best defenseman, aka "DeAngelo" is absolute garbage. Have fun with a defender that in order to get shots (your reference about CORSI hahahah) ... gives up about the most scoring chances in high danger areas in the entire league. Your best possession player is also a -18 and please tell me what percentage of his Zone Starts are in the offensive zone. LMAO baby nuts ... have fun with DeAngelo. Let me just crush your dreams right here and now ... he gets 70% Offensive Zone starts and only has a 52% CORSI and is a -18!. How The F&^% is a defender that gets 70% offensive zone starts a -18!! Oh my God I'm dying here. McDonagh got most of the defensive zone starts in NY ... learn to read stats baby nuts.

Fact is Rangers are our farm club. You get farmed on the ice ... and you get farmed in trades. Have fun with the rebuild ... !

Why can't I write on other team's walls? You can't handle someone having a different opinion? Once again, you resort to name-calling. Tip: that does not make your argument any stronger.

Do you know what PDO is? DeAngelo has a pretty low PDO, which means, when he is on the ice, the team's shooting percentage is relatively low and the team's save percentage is relatively high. DeAngelo has been pretty unlucky in that regard. And you say 70% of his starts were in the offensive zone, but many people argue that zone starts don't have as big of an effect on corsi and possession as you may think. Even if most of your shifts are in the offensive zone, you still have to be able to keep the puck in your zone. Sure, you get a slight head start, but I argue that it doesn't really matter as much. Besides, I know you're not new to hockey, but did you know that offensive-minded defensemen typically get more offensive zone starts and defensive-minded defensemen get more defensive zone starts? Crazy, huh? Come on, you know that.

Haha you know you don't have an argument when you resort to plus/minus. You do know the Rangers are an awful team, and pretty much everyone is a minus player, right? Not only that, but DeAngelo has been playing with subpar partners all year long, whether it be Smith, Staal, or O'Gara. He hasn't been paired with relatively good defensemen like Skjei or Shattenkirk. He also didn't see playing time with McDonagh when he was still with the NYR. Besides, plus/minus is an very misleading and outdated statistic.

Yes, DeAngelo had a rough start to the season, but lately, up until his injury, he was playing very well. With Shattenkirk injured and McDonagh traded, he was our 2nd best defenseman behind Pionk.

Also, of course you are entitled to have an opinion on everything, including Hajek, but would you be saying the same things about him if he was still a Lightning prospect? Honestly, would you? I don't care if you've seen Hajek's every game, but if you think Hajek wouldn't eventually make it over Girardi of all people, you're delusional. Something tells me you're lying. Scouts, GMs, coaches, and even your own fans regard Hajek as a solid prospect at worst, and a great prospect at best. Besides, of course none of the NYR D-men prospects would be on the Lightning right now. They are PROSPECTS lol. They still have time to grow. No one knows how good they will be. Also, the Lightning are in win-now mode, while the Rangers are rebuilding, so of course the Lightning are going to stack their team and the Rangers are going to trade away their good players. Do you not know how a rebuild works? Do you not know what all-in means?

You know nothing about our prospects. Keep underrating them. That's fine. You act like you know their exact path, their exact development, and the exact kind of players they'll be. They won't be superstars, but there's a good chance that at least half of them will be solid NHL regulars. Pionk is going to surprise a lot of people in the near future, and Hajek and DeAngelo still have boom or bust potential.

You are the kind of fan that most people can't stand. Never seen someone as biased as you. Not even my friends, who are either Devils, Penguins, or Flyers fans. "All my team's players are great, and all your team's players suck." Who even does that anymore? If you truly like hockey, then you should be objective.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

either you're off your meds or you're a teen @Werewolf. I've probably never seen anyone as rude and immature as you've been here. Grow up kid.

 

[Hoek]

Seriously this is getting embarrassing. Chill out. There's no reason to be so invested in the idea that we totally screwed the Rangers.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

DeAngelo sucks big fat elephant nuts

I just straight up burst out laughing upon reading this. Damn you, I'm in physics class!

Edit: you are correct deangelo sucks, I wasn't laughing at you, just that's maybe the funniest insult I've ever seen

 

[Bolt32]

Think Werewolf needs to take a step back. I've been invested before in topics on HF. It's not worth it man.

Honestly don't think Buchnevich said anything to go off on a rant about....maybe I missed something?

 

[NatoGhost]

I'm mostly a lurker so what do I know but imo Werewolf is a great contributor to these boards with solid info on a lot of our prospects. That being said, when I read this thread I felt he was out of line.

I agree we won the trade but NY did get good prospects and picks.

 

[The Macho King]

Propriety Police are here! @Werewolf must be niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

 

[Werewolf]

I’m out of line for trolling a NYR fanboi when on his first post comes into our forum and says we don’t know a thing about hockey for saying NYRs got robbed. He can go rant in his own forum for all I care, not here. This board is soft. Grow a pair. When I go and tell another fan base on their forum that they don’t know anything about hockey...I get scorted out by bus load full of goons and trolls and get reported and thread banned.

I’m out. NYR South ... how is this even tolerated? Get some pride and some swag. I may be wrong ... I’m cool with that. But that’s how I feel regardless.

 

[These Are The Days]

I’m out of line for trolling a NYR fanboi when on his first post comes into our forum and says we don’t know a thing about hockey for saying NYRs got robbed. He can go rant in his own forum for all I care, not here. This board is soft. Grow a pair. When I go and tell another fan base on their forum that they don’t know anything about hockey...I get scorted out by bus load full of goons and trolls and get reported and thread banned.

I’m out. NYR South ... how is this even tolerated? Get some pride and some swag. I may be wrong ... I’m cool with that. But that’s how I feel regardless.

Well it didn't end up in the parking lot. I don't know if you consider that a win though