Tavares

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

This wasn't hindsight.
This was foresight.

I'm sorry you don't have the foresight to understand that injuries are always a risk. And that injuries are frequent in the NHL.
And that if you wait until the deadline and you get screwed by injury, that it's your fault you didn't make the move.

And that FACTS show that "waiting until the deadline in UFA year" isn't always the way to maximize value.

1) When you are dealing with a pure rental? Yes it is. Don't even try using Tatar's example because Tatar is a young-ish 20-25 goal scorer with term. Mike Green was destined to be a rental on this team. He's essentially a high priced PP QB on a really bad team, aka, the type of player that a team picks up at the deadline for a playoff push.

2) Injuries are always a risk... but when a player has 4 consecutive years of 70+ games and has played 55-60-ish games already without being injured this year... I can understand why they didn't push the panic button. If the Wings tried to trade Mike Green in December, they'd get low-balled to high hell because teams aren't looking to add the 6M PP specialist in mid-season deals.

3) There is no way to verify this, but if the Wings traded Green for a 3rd round pick or something in December, the board would have melted down.

 

[Redder Winger]

1) When you are dealing with a pure rental? Yes it is. Don't even try using Tatar's example because Tatar is a young-ish 20-25 goal scorer with term. Mike Green was destined to be a rental on this team. He's essentially a high priced PP QB on a really bad team, aka, the type of player that a team picks up at the deadline for a playoff push.

2) Injuries are always a risk... but when a player has 4 consecutive years of 70+ games and has played 55-60-ish games already without being injured this year... I can understand why they didn't push the panic button. If the Wings tried to trade Mike Green in December, they'd get low-balled to high hell because teams aren't looking to add the 6M PP specialist in mid-season deals.

3) There is no way to verify this, but if the Wings traded Green for a 3rd round pick or something in December, the board would have melted down.

1) We're talking about Nyquist and whether or not we need to wait until the trade deadline of his last year.
So Tatar is appropriate.

2) If the Wings would have traded Green in December, they would have gotten something.
Plenty of teams could afford a $3M cap hit.
The Wings could have taken salary back, too.

3) Red herring.
Most people knew that Green, like Vanek last year, wasn't going to fetch what he did.

Here's the other thing.
Waiting until the trade deadline, injury or not, actually hurt Green's value. Because if you traded him December - there was no McDonogh on the market. There was not Karlsson being dangled.

 

[StargateSG1]

Does Detroit have an extra 10 million plus laying around after we sign our RFAs. There is your answer on Tavares playing in Detroit.

Really, that's the only answer?
And the fact that he wants to win is what? Negligible?

 

[Go Wings]

Really, that's the only answer?
And the fact that he wants to win is what? Negligible?

There is a lot of reason why he isnt going to sign with Detroit. Money is a big one.

 

[StargateSG1]

There is a lot of reason why he isnt going to sign with Detroit. Money is a big one.

I just get a kick out of never ending crazy ideas like Stamkos, Tavares, Karlsson...
Waste of blog space.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Mike Green's injury concerns and history were talked about on here for a while, virtually all year. I know I started saying in December, okay this team is out of this, we should deal him as soon as a good deal is out there. Now maybe that deal never did materialize. We should have been looking for a partner real hard before Erne gave us no options though.

With that said debating the addition of Tavares has little to do with how to maximize a trade deadline asset. The offer here would basically be his last contract and I think any time a superstar wants to play for your team, you should be in touch and see what it takes to make that happen.

We cannot fix the past, we have to start focusing on the future. Tavares would have a significant impact on that. He also could once and for all put an end to the will they retire #91 debate as well.

 

[Redder Winger]

Mike Green's injury concerns and history were talked about on here for a while, virtually all year. I know I started saying in December, okay this team is out of this, we should deal him as soon as a good deal is out there. Now maybe that deal never did materialize. We should have been looking for a partner real hard before Erne gave us no options though.

With that said debating the addition of Tavares has little to do with how to maximize a trade deadline asset. The offer here would basically be his last contract and I think any time a superstar wants to play for your team, you should be in touch and see what it takes to make that happen.

We cannot fix the past, we have to start focusing on the future. Tavares would have a significant impact on that. He also could once and for all put an end to the will they retire #91 debate as well.

Who cares about "Its December, this team was out."
Anyone with a lick of sense knew this team "was out" before the season started.

That's the f***ing problem with Holland.
He's either delusional, stupid or dishonest.

1) He lacks the ability to assess NHL talent (and there's a growing body of evidence to suggest this)
or
2) He knew his team sucked but didn't want want to signal what he knew because he's got tickets to sell.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Who cares about "Its December, this team was out."
Anyone with a lick of sense knew this team "was out" before the season started.

That's the ****ing problem with Holland.
He's either delusional, stupid or dishonest.

1) He lacks the ability to assess NHL talent (and there's a growing body of evidence to suggest this)
or
2) He knew his team sucked but didn't want want to signal what he knew because he's got tickets to sell.

So what does that tell you about Tavares and the Red Wings.... I know things will get sidetracked and discussions actually cannot flow perfectly, but we have plenty of places for this assessment of Holland, go to the Holland extension thread for instance. I can even see why Holland has to be discussed in a thread about signing a player. But unless you see Tavares as more evidence of #2 I am not sure what you're driving at.

I don't think you throw in the towel on a season before US Thanksgiving. You can know it isn't likely, but again the characterization of what we have been doing as a team the last three years isn't beholden to just your same three options you're apparently only allowed to select to describe his job over and over.

Now Tavares for many is a bad move for a rebuilding team. I think if you can add elite talent, especially for just a contract and no organization assets except money you should pursue that. John Tavares is an excellent hockey player, maybe our rebuild hits its stride early and he is very impactful, maybe not, but he is a player that is too good not to make a pitch to if he is willing to listen to the Wings this off-season in my opinion.

 

[kliq]

If we can shift the conversation back to JT.

I don't think the Wings will have a problem when it comes to cap space. When they need space, they have always made the room. 2 years ago when they wanted Stamkos, they were able to do it, and if they legit had a shot at JT, I believe they could do it. You don't sign Green, you trade Nyquist, and another move here and there and they are good.

With that being said, I dont think JT will come here. He has been stuck on a mediocre team for years, and IF he decides to move, I can't see it being to the Wings. We are close to his home town, and we are an O6 team, but I dont think that will be enough. I see JT going to a team like SJ, a team where he can be the final piece to a cup winning puzzle. If he comes to the Wings, we are definitely much closer, but it would be a few years until we are legit contenders.