Tavares+Marner or Point+Stamkos

[VoluntaryDom]

I like point and tried to get him with my fantasy teams, but he is in no way a top 10 C. which of these guys is he better than? i didnt even include seguin, the caps dupo, barzal, eichel etc

Mcdavid
Crosby
Malkin
Mackinnon
Matthews
Tavares
Kopitar
Stamkos
Schiefele
Barkov

All of them besides the first 5, though you may have forgotten a combination of Bergeron/Couturier/Barzal on this tier

 

[Cleatus]

Leafs duo pretty easily. Tavares and Stamkos are a wash, but Marner is very likely going to have a way more impressive career than Point when all is said and done.

 

[Halla]

the leafs hovering near 80%?

looks like a lockworthy thread

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Point has gotten 2:25 pp toi for his career, Marner is at 2:17
Point has gotten 14:53 ES. Marner 14:16

say what you want about "inflated" but marner has done more with less ice time

point has the edge defensively, but to say point is equal on offense is kinda ignorant.

Let’s take a look at last season shall we

Point: 2.32 p/60, 1.855 p1/60,
Marner: 1.93 p/60, 1.437 p1/60

You were right about them not being equal on offense. Point is better.

(Edit: these are 5v5 numbers)

 

[Apotheosis]

Tavares-Marner if you want points. Stamkos-Point if you want better two way game. Tavares-Marner has that Panarin-Kane torch the league potential and they're likely going to be together for years to come.

 

[Community]

Point didn’t PP1 hardly at all before this year while marner inflated his numbers on a hot leafs PP down the stretch last year.

Im not going to argue one over the other, but this is a terrible argument for Point over Marner.

Marner was on what was supposed to be the 2nd PP unit with Bozak, JVR, and Komarov were the most common forwards in his group. Just because he elevated this group and killed it on the powerplay last year is no reason to paint it as a negative for Marner.

 

[Yamazaki]

Point didn’t PP1 hardly at all before this year while marner inflated his numbers on a hot leafs PP down the stretch last year.

You sound petty and are making the lamest excuses ever.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Point is a top 10 C ?

 

[Luminiferous]

Sigh. Acting like Point is hot shit. Leafs Duo. Toss in that beast Kuch, and we can talk.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Point/Stamkos if you want playoff success. Tavares/Marner if you want regular season stats

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The Leafs dou easily, all you have to is watch them, they are destroying the NHL

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Sigh. Acting like Point is hot ****. Leafs Duo. Toss in that beast Kuch, and we can talk.

Point isn’t that far behind Kuch at this point. He’s far better defensively and much more consistent. Kucherov is a bit tough to rate but I have him as a top 3 winger because he managed to be an elite producer last season despite phoning it in for months down the stretch. Point could pass him as soon as this season though, if Kuch can’t find his consistency or his dominant stretches and point continues to develop into one of the most well-rounded centers in hockey.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Why are so many people obsessed with making comparisons with the Leafs?

That aside, I'd say the Tampa duo. Tavares vs. Stamkos is a draw, and I think Point is a more defensively responsible player, whilst having similar offensive upside.

People want to compare to the best, that's why.

 

[J T Money]

Point blows Marner out of the water, not even fair to compare them.

Tavares is probably equal if not a little better than Stamkos.

 

[Cleetus]

Point blows Marner out of the water, not even fair to compare them.

Tavares is probably equal if not a little better than Stamkos.

and its only leaf fans that over rate there players ......

 

[zeke]

Always thought that Point and Willy were very comparable players.

Marner I would liken to Kucherov.

Stamkos to Tavares

 

[hamzarocks]

All of them besides the first 5, though you may have forgotten a combination of Bergeron/Couturier/Barzal on this tier

Barkov and Schielfe are a tier above point, I would still take Tavares, getzlaf, kopitat over him as well. The guy is good but your overeating him.

Add in guys like eichel, Stamkos, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, barzal etc. And your looking at a 21-25th best center in the league

 

[34]

Pot meet kettle.

Anything to do with Toronto, you are the first one to criticize. All is good, sit back and enjoy the season.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Always thought that Point and Willy were very comparable players.

Marner I would liken to Kucherov.

Stamkos to Tavares

Agreed. The only thing separating Kuch from Marner right now is the 31 more points Kuch had with his 100 points to Marners 69. Otherwise they’re almost the same.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Anything to do with Toronto, you are the first one to criticize. All is good, sit back and enjoy the season.

Oh come on you’re one of the most notorious Leaf homers on here. If you want to call out others then take a long look in the mirror first.

Thanks I’m enjoying the season. You too.

 

[zeke]

Agreed. The only thing separating Kuch from Marner right now is the 31 more points Kuch had with his 100 points to Marners 69. Otherwise they’re almost the same.

how many years did it take Kucherov to hit 69?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

how many years did it take Kucherov to hit 69?

Irrelevant. When Marner hits 100 you can come back and post about it.
Cool the jets about wild claims after 5 games.

 

[34]

Oh come on you’re one of the most notorious Leaf homers on here. If you want to call out others then take a long look in the mirror first.

I am a Leaf homer because I don’t agree that every player on the Leafs is garage or sucks like you say. Come on man.

I call it how it is. I give credit to other players around the league that deserve it as well.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I am a Leaf homer because I don’t agree that every player on the Leafs is garage or sucks like you say. Come on man.

I call it how it is. I give credit to other players around the league that deserve too.

You’re a Leafs homer. Because you go over the top about the Leafs in every post and give zero credit to opposing players who deserve it. Like I said you’re in no position to criticize anyone unless you clean up your act.

 

[34]

You’re a Leafs homer. Because you go over the top about the Leafs in every post and give zero credit to opposing players who deserve it. Like I said you’re in no position to criticize anyone unless you clean up your act.

Clean my act up. Have a look in the mirror.