Confirmed with Link: Tanner Pearson to the Penguins (Traded for Carl Hagelin 1 for 1)

[ncm7772]

You said they lack depth scoring, too. They traded a guy who can't score for a guy who should be able to score a good amount. Why is speed the only thing that matters here, when they're getting a guy who should be able to score better than Hagelin?

This deal is a flat out fleece by JR, I have no clue how anyone can say anything but that.

But can he score better than CH? Zero goals in seventeen games this year. That's a pretty long streak.

Take away his 24 goal season, and you're looking at a guy who hasn't scored all that much more than CH (yes, he's scored more - no need to research exact stats).

And honest question - can Pearson kill penalties? That's where I think the team will miss Hagelin the most.

 

[Gurglesons]

But can he score better than CH? Zero goals in seventeen games this year. That's a pretty long streak.

Take away his 24 goal season, and you're looking at a guy who hasn't scored all that much more than CH (yes, he's scored more - no need to research exact stats).

And honest question - can Pearson kill penalties? That's where I think the team will miss Hagelin the most.

Yes. And he has scored 70 less points in 120 less games.

He basically prorates to the same type of production Hagelin had in his career, costs less moving forward and is 4 years younger.

 

[Empoleon8771]

But can he score better than CH? Zero goals in seventeen games this year. That's a pretty long streak.

Take away his 24 goal season, and you're looking at a guy who hasn't scored all that much more than CH (yes, he's scored more - no need to research exact stats).

And honest question - can Pearson kill penalties? That's where I think the team will miss Hagelin the most.

"Does he actually produce more?", he simultaneously asks as saying "let's ignore the season where he produced a lot more than Hagelin has ever done".

 

[Gurglesons]

"Does he actually produce more?", he simultaneously asks as saying "let's ignore the season where he produced a lot more than Hagelin has ever done".

I always love these types of arguments.

It is like the basis of the Sprong argument. “Simon has more points, but that is because he gets better minutes”. Well duh, players with more points or a history of better production get more minutes.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I've had time to digest the trade. And bear with me, and remember this is just my opinion.

I don't care for the trade, because I don't see how it makes the team better. The team's biggest problem right now is depth scoring and a lack of speed. So they dump one of the fastest on the team? Pearson is no doubt a better player than what he's shown this year, but I don't expect him to make this team better.

This move reeks of a GM making a move for the sake of making a move.

Think the way people should be looking at this is JR switched out a UFA speedy role player who could produce a bit for a guy who could potentially give you "the good" Kunitz style game and produce more.

I think he could easily have a Kunitz like effect on our top six.

I see that too. The good/younger Kunitz, of course.
He's quicker than good/younger Kunitz imo.
Has a better shot too.

Seen this tease of his shot from practice this morn...

 

[Empoleon8771]

If you want to pull out Pearson's most productive run, why aren't we pulling out Hagelin's most productive run, which was a comically unsustainable run with HBK? Since the 2016 cup, Hagelin has had 17 goals and 56 points in 158 games, which is a pace of 9 goals and 29 points per 82 games. He was putting up that bad of production while playing all of the time with Malkin and Kessel in a top-6 role. Of course Pearson can produce more than Hagelin, because Hagelin was garbage offensively here. He was horrible offensively, a 36 and 37 year old Kunitz was more productive in the same role. That's not an exaggeration, that's a fact.

From 2014-2018, Pearson was basically a 20 goal, 40 point player per 82 games on a defensive team. 85% of his production was at ES, he averaged 17 ES goals and 34 ES points per 82 games. If he just gets back to what he once was, you're getting a 10 goal boost per season without a significant decline in defensive ability. I have him pegged at 25 goals and 50 points, that's my over/under for him over a full season with Crosby and Malkin. The production difference should be huge between the two.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Voynov?

Honestly? I'd listen to the suggestion.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Honestly? I'd listen to the suggestion.

I googled around about him a couple weeks ago just to find out whats going on with him.

Since the conviction was dismissed, he could appeal his suspension with the NHL.
Right now the NHL is doing their own investigation and if they let him back, can suspend him a good length before he could play again in the league.
LA still owns his rights as well.

Just for those wondering where his status stands.

 

[StaalForOne]

I like this trade a lot. If there is one thing JR has done very well its buy low trades. Hagelin, Daley, Schultz, Bonino, Hornqvist all come to mind. Kessel to a lesser extent as well. As others have mentioned Daley, Schultz, and Hagelin were all s*** on by their former teams fans around here.

Pearson was a top producer for the Kings (Not including this season obviously) the prior 2 seasons. 40 pts, most of them even strength points at that, is nothing to scoff at. Definition of depth scoring, I think he will fit in well.

 

[zero8771]

But can he score better than CH? Zero goals in seventeen games this year. That's a pretty long streak.

Take away his 24 goal season, and you're looking at a guy who hasn't scored all that much more than CH (yes, he's scored more - no need to research exact stats).

And honest question - can Pearson kill penalties? That's where I think the team will miss Hagelin the most.

Ignore his best season? Why? Because it makes a position harder to defend?

Yes he's killed penalties previously.

Yes he's a much more productive player than hags for the entirety of his career.

He's also a player we have for multiple years now under contract. This trade checks every box for me. We'll see how Pearson turns out but they got a better asset than the one that left (on contract alone)

 

[BladeRunner66]

I like this trade a lot. If there is one thing JR has done very well its buy low trades. Hagelin, Daley, Schultz, Bonino, Hornqvist all come to mind. Kessel to a lesser extent as well. As others have mentioned Daley, Schultz, and Hagelin were all s*** on by their former teams fans around here.

Pearson was a top producer for the Kings (Not including this season obviously) the prior 2 seasons. 40 pts, most of them even strength points at that, is nothing to scoff at. Definition of depth scoring, I think he will fit in well.

10 things to know about the Penguins' trade for Tanner Pearson

There's a poll from the site above, the results pretty much sum up what's this deal is about:

What do you think was the Penguins' main motivation in trading Carl Hagelin?

60% Sending a message to the team
40% Improving secondary scoring

Based on 654 responses

So you have your depth scoring here and also that "sending a message" part which isn't to be taken lightly. Pearson has good work ethics and goes into danger zones which Pens haven't done enough recently. Message is thus simply "we're getting a soldier and making sure that most of you realize that your job isn't safe unless you... work hard".

 

[strandvag]

Will he play tonight ?

 

[Gurglesons]

Will he play tonight ?

Yes.

 

[Peat]

I just don’t think you win with a lot of those players and we won without them yet we keep getting more...I have no problem trading one for another...I just don’t want to end up with too much of them

I've always favored the idea of having players that excel in certain areas and maybe have weaknesses that need covered via proper line combinations, too. As opposed to jack of all trades types. You get too many Spalings with the latter.

But I'd like to get a close look at Pearson, first of all. And second this coaching staff has already proven they don't know ****-all about good line combinations.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a team of Pearsons and Sheahans. But I don't want a team of Hornqvists and Wilsons either. I think there needs to be a balance. Having role players who absolutely excel in their sphere plays a huge part in achieving excellence. But - leaving aside the difficulty of having a roster where all the role players are of this type - I think having some more jack of all trades guys make it a lot easier to cover the weaknesses of the specialists and get that balance where lines are great both ways.

F'ex, Pearson. You can - in theory - rely on his defensive conscience to cover Malkin-Kessel, or use him as a triggerman on a Sid-Simon line. Or stick him on line 3 with Brassard with a chaos player like Rust and rely on them simply being better at most aspects of hockey than their opponents.

And honestly, if we're calling Pearson vanilla, then I think we won cups with some vanilla players. Bonino was high end vanilla imo - Fehr, Scott Wilson. Hell, if Pearson is vanilla, what flavour is Rust? Like, vanilla-chocolate swirl?

 

[Rakell67]

I think he could easily have a Kunitz like effect on our top six.

Would it be accurate to label Pearson as a Kunitz/Neal hybrid?

 

[Andy99]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a team of Pearsons and Sheahans. But I don't want a team of Hornqvists and Wilsons either. I think there needs to be a balance. Having role players who absolutely excel in their sphere plays a huge part in achieving excellence. But - leaving aside the difficulty of having a roster where all the role players are of this type - I think having some more jack of all trades guys make it a lot easier to cover the weaknesses of the specialists and get that balance where lines are great both ways.

F'ex, Pearson. You can - in theory - rely on his defensive conscience to cover Malkin-Kessel, or use him as a triggerman on a Sid-Simon line. Or stick him on line 3 with Brassard with a chaos player like Rust and rely on them simply being better at most aspects of hockey than their opponents.

And honestly, if we're calling Pearson vanilla, then I think we won cups with some vanilla players. Bonino was high end vanilla imo - Fehr, Scott Wilson. Hell, if Pearson is vanilla, what flavour is Rust? Like, vanilla-chocolate swirl?

Lol...more like vanilla with a little mustache of chocolate ...

 

[cygnus47]

Ignore his best season? Why? Because it makes a position harder to defend?

Yes he's killed penalties previously.

Yes he's a much more productive player than hags for the entirety of his career.

He's also a player we have for multiple years now under contract. This trade checks every box for me. We'll see how Pearson turns out but they got a better asset than the one that left (on contract alone)

The only thing I worry about is that our identity has evaporated. What we had in 2016 more than anything was an identity, we were fast and we pushed the pace everywhere. That was the Penguins and we always had that advantage of surprising other teams while knowing exactly what our goals were. Now what are we? We have a good roster, thin at D maybe, but we don't have a coherent game any more. Other teams know our tricks, we're just a team that has some great, experienced players. Are we working towards a new identity or are these just video game trades where it's good value so just do it?

I worry that we've lost sight of this completely from GMJR to Sully all the way down. NJD, Toronto are faster than we are now, Tampa has a better roster if we're just going player for player, what is our thing that we do better than any other team? Our PP is up and down because Sid and Geno refuse to attack the net with the puck. We aren't great defensively and with our speed evaporating and other teams knowing what we have done in the past we can't just attack in the neutral zone like we used to. What is our identity?

 

[Gurglesons]

Would it be accurate to label Pearson as a Kunitz/Neal hybrid?

No. He is not even as good as Kuni.

 

[Gurglesons]

The only thing I worry about is that our identity has evaporated. What we had in 2016 more than anything was an identity, we were fast and we pushed the pace everywhere. That was the Penguins and we always had that advantage of surprising other teams while knowing exactly what our goals were. Now what are we? We have a good roster, thin at D maybe, but we don't have a coherent game any more. Other teams know our tricks, we're just a team that has some great, experienced players. Are we working towards a new identity or are these just video game trades where it's good value so just do it?

I worry that we've lost sight of this completely from GMJR to Sully all the way down. NJD, Toronto are faster than we are now, Tampa has a better roster if we're just going player for player, what is our thing that we do better than any other team? Our PP is up and down because Sid and Geno refuse to attack the net with the puck. We aren't great defensively and with our speed evaporating and other teams knowing what we have done in the past we can't just attack in the neutral zone like we used to. What is our identity?

Was that our identity truly in 16-17?

 

[Turin]

Would it be accurate to label Pearson as a Kunitz/Neal hybrid?

Those were point per games guys with Sid and Geno. He’ll be a heavier Dupuis if things go well.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Was that our identity truly in 16-17?

The same as now. Panic and overreaction.

Oh, you mean the Pens? I thought that you meant the board.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

No. He is not even as good as Kuni.

Let's pray to God he's better than present-day Kuni.

Honestly? I'd listen to the suggestion.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

At the game and warmups began. I can report that Pearson is at least as fast as Maatta.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

In person he looks bigger than his reported 200 pounds six feet tall.

 

[DegenX]

Domestic violence is a serious issue that should be discussed. The Hagelin-Pearson trade thread is not the place to do it.