Prospect Info: Syracuse Crunch, Orlando Solar Bears, & Prospects Thread

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Gabriel Fortier is reporting to Moncton camp (QMJHL)

I see no chance in him actually playing an overage season in the Q. My guess would be to get in shape because AHL camps aren't starting till later in the year. Fortier is 20, Syracuse is the better place for his development and they will need to add a few forwards so he has a spot.
 

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I see no chance in him actually playing an overage season in the Q. My guess would be to get in shape because AHL camps aren't starting till later in the year. Fortier is 20, Syracuse is the better place for his development and they will need to add a few forwards so he has a spot.
He could conceivably play like a month and a half before he needs to go to TB/SYR camp. (they'll probably limit the number of bodies in camps this year in the pro leagues too)
 
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He could conceivably play like a month and a half before he needs to go to TB/SYR camp. (they'll probably limit the number of bodies in camps this year in the pro leagues too)

I don't see why Moncton would want that. Why let a guy play when you know he's leaving in a month when you could be giving that time to a kid that will be there all season?
 

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I don't see why Moncton would want that. Why let a guy play when you know he's leaving in a month when you could be giving that time to a kid that will be there all season?
Why wouldn't Moncton want that? They'd hopefully like to keep him longer.
 

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Why wouldn't Moncton want that? They'd hopefully like to keep him longer.

But it's 100% likely that he's going to camp with Tampa. So they can hope all they want it's not happening. All Moncton gets is a months worth of games from Fortier before he leaves. They probably have some 16 year olds they need to evaluate if they want to keep for the season or other players they need to see what they have in.
 

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I see no chance in him actually playing an overage season in the Q. My guess would be to get in shape because AHL camps aren't starting till later in the year. Fortier is 20, Syracuse is the better place for his development and they will need to add a few forwards so he has a spot.

I would agree with you but he is literally the only 20 years old who was slated to be in the AHL reporting to QMJHL camp. He is basically the only signed player in the Q right now (among overagers). So I don't know
 

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and there's the NCAA/junior hockey deal.

Canadian Major Junior doesn't seem to be included, based on the wording.
 

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Some significant takeaways

Over the next year, the Division I Committee on Academics plans to review the use of test scores as part of NCAA initial-eligibility standards moving forward.

Interesting

21-Year Old Rule

For the 2020-21 academic year, prospective student-athletes who turn 21 years old during the season (i.e., early 2000 birthdates) will not lose a year of Division I eligibility if they play a junior hockey game after their birthday. Typically, those players would have to enroll full-time in a post-secondary institution in order to retain their four years of Division I eligibility.

Outside Competition (what FP was eluding to)

Current student-athletes whose institutions will not be playing hockey during the fall semester will be permitted to participate in non-collegiate, amateur competition i.e. junior hockey on an outside team during the fall 2020 term (subject to school and conference approval). These student-athletes may compete on an outside team while remaining enrolled in their NCAA institution, which typically would not be allowed.

An institution or conference may not provide expenses for such competition and the student-athlete must be in good academic standing. A student-athlete who remains enrolled at the institution may not miss class to participate in outside competition. All competition should adhere to federal, state, local and other applicable guidelines related to COVID-19.
 

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Some significant takeaways

Over the next year, the Division I Committee on Academics plans to review the use of test scores as part of NCAA initial-eligibility standards moving forward.

Interesting

21-Year Old Rule

For the 2020-21 academic year, prospective student-athletes who turn 21 years old during the season (i.e., early 2000 birthdates) will not lose a year of Division I eligibility if they play a junior hockey game after their birthday. Typically, those players would have to enroll full-time in a post-secondary institution in order to retain their four years of Division I eligibility.

Outside Competition (what FP was eluding to)

Current student-athletes whose institutions will not be playing hockey during the fall semester will be permitted to participate in non-collegiate, amateur competition i.e. junior hockey on an outside team during the fall 2020 term (subject to school and conference approval). These student-athletes may compete on an outside team while remaining enrolled in their NCAA institution, which typically would not be allowed.

An institution or conference may not provide expenses for such competition and the student-athlete must be in good academic standing. A student-athlete who remains enrolled at the institution may not miss class to participate in outside competition. All competition should adhere to federal, state, local and other applicable guidelines related to COVID-19.

I still don't get this? There are no 21 year olds in the CHL so I don't see how they will be playing junior hockey? Or at least major junior hockey but if you're good enough to play in the NCAA why play in a lower junior league? What other junior leagues are really out there for these kids to play?
 

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QMJHL camps have started. The KHL starts this week. Any guesses as to whom TB loans to Europe?

San Jose just loaned 6 guys. Mostly European, but one from NA.

If Ryan Lohin is healthy, that's a guy who could use some games. The EIHL is pretty similar to the NA game as well if they want to do that, although there are better leagues. Tim Wallace is Nottingham's coach. He played 18 games with TB in 11-12. Although if there's another coach over there they'd like to evaluate to potentially bring in, that'd make sense.

edit: Garth Murray in Denmark for instance.

Alexei Lipanov might be a good loan, more as a tool to evaluate where his game is playing against Russian competition again.

Any European player would be a possibility.

edit2: found out last night that the EIHL season is in danger and doesn't have a start date, but you get the point. Somewhere in Europe that is relatively NA styled and not too different culturally. Possibly Denmark since they have a lot of NA coaches (and maybe our guys get a few weeks/months of tax-free income somewhere).
 
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I still don't get this? There are no 21 year olds in the CHL so I don't see how they will be playing junior hockey? Or at least major junior hockey but if you're good enough to play in the NCAA why play in a lower junior league? What other junior leagues are really out there for these kids to play?
CHL and NCAA are different tracks.

You can play as a 20-year-old in the USHL/NAHL, which is a common path for guys who aren't destined for the NHL.

I'm not sure if the basis for this is because of a shifted schedule where they potentially start/end much later, pushing overage players over the limit.

Many future NCAA players go to Canadian Jr. A as well to maintain eligibility.

The Penticton Vees of the BCHL have 30+ former players in the NCAA right now. It was also the home to Paul Kariya, Brett Hull, and Dante Fabbro before their NCAA careers began.
 
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CHL and NCAA are different tracks.

You can play as a 20-year-old in the USHL/NAHL, which is a common path for guys who aren't destined for the NHL.

I'm not sure if the basis for this is because of a shifted schedule where they potentially start/end much later, pushing overage players over the limit.

Many future NCAA players go to Canadian Jr. A as well to maintain eligibility.

I get it for the kids like mcKade Webster who Tampa drafted in the 7th round and hasn't played in the NCAA yet. With no NCAA season staying in the USHL makes sense. But then you got someone like Max Crozier who is the same age but played his freshman year in the NCAA last year, I don't think going back to the USHL is a good move for him. Sure playing is better than sitting the season out but i can't think of a league that isn't a pro one that's on the level of the NCAA.
 

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I get it for the kids like mcKade Webster who Tampa drafted in the 7th round and hasn't played in the NCAA yet. With no NCAA season staying in the USHL makes sense. But then you got someone like Max Crozier who is the same age but played his freshman year in the NCAA last year, I don't think going back to the USHL is a good move for him. Sure playing is better than sitting the season out but i can't think of a league that isn't a pro one that's on the level of the NCAA.
If the USHL gets flooded with talent it'd be like the lockout AHL.
 

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If the USHL gets flooded with talent it'd be like the lockout AHL.

I kinda hope it doesn't do that because it's unfair for the younger kids who should be about to get their chance. The USHL and CHL should be about the next group of kids not the ones already drafted who should be playing somewhere else. Competition wise the league would be better for the season just don't like letting all these kids back in.
 

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I kinda hope it doesn't do that because it's unfair for the younger kids who should be about to get their chance. The USHL and CHL should be about the next group of kids not the ones already drafted who should be playing somewhere else. Competition wise the league would be better for the season just don't like letting all these kids back in.
The USHL is a ticket driven league. If they can get people back into arenas with some 'big' names, and especially bringing old players back, they'll do it.
 

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Very accurate.


There's a certain excitement in potentially finding a guy who maybe doesn't perform offensively, or at least hasn't in recent years, and hoping that he can stay that shutdown guy as he advances, but it doesn't seem to work like that. Selke winners are excellent offensive players too.

That's also why going for 'complete players' as prospects makes sense. You don't know what direction their career will go, but if they can do everything, maybe they'll have the right combination to stick.
 
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@Felonious Python - what's the TB prospect top 5-10 list looking like these days?
I'm more of a downballot ECHL type guy, but boltprospects has 5-10 as
Raddysh
Katchouk
Masin
Fortier
Walker
Cajkovic

They haven't updated their rankings in over a year though, probably due to a draft not occurring yet. We're pretty thin on depth right now. Masin is probably out. Fortier had a substandard year. Sammy Walker hasn't blown the doors off. Cajkovic seemed to take a step forward despite limited games, although he is getting older in Major Junior.

Arnefelt would slot in somewhere in the top 10 I'd say.

Maybe something like
5 Raddysh
6 Katchouk
7 Arnefelt
8 Cajkovic
9 Walker
10 Masin, if he's still in. Otherwise, Fortier.
 
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I'm more of a downballot ECHL type guy, but boltprospects has 5-10 as
Raddysh
Katchouk
Masin
Fortier
Walker
Cajkovic

They haven't updated their rankings in over a year though, probably due to a draft not occurring yet. We're pretty thin on depth right now. Masin is probably out. Fortier had a substandard year. Sammy Walker hasn't blown the doors off. Cajkovic seemed to take a step forward despite limited games, although he is getting older in Major Junior.

Arnefelt would slot in somewhere in the top 10 I'd say.

Maybe something like
5 Raddysh
6 Katchouk
7 Arnefelt
8 Cajkovic
9 Walker
10 Masin, if he's still in. Otherwise, Fortier.

sorry, i think i wrote my question poorly. meant 1-5 or 1-10. foote still the top guy?
 

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1. Barre-Boulet- he passes Foote because he has the higher ceiling. I can see this kid as a 25g 60p top 6 winger. I had Foote above him before but I see a glaring hole on the 2nd line he should fill. If we get rid of Johnson he would look great in that spot and on the 2nd PP. He may still spend another year in Syracuse until we can move Johnson and Palat and then he should have a spot.

2. Foote - his ceiling is high i just don't seeing him hitting it. With the other D on the team we won't be putting him in a position to play much PP and don't need a lot of offense out of him which are his strengths. He should round into a solid two way defender who can get 10g 30p occasionally.

3. Katchouk - I've been really down on this guy in the past. Looked completely overwhelmed with the pro game which was surprising for someone with his skill set. But the move to C this season has really got him back on track. I don't think his ceiling is as high as it was coming out of junior but the floor still is. The same way Gourde has now flourished at C is what Katchouk did and I can see him being our future 3C in the way Gourde is. 15g 35p strong two way, PK specialist.

4. Raddysh - Big body, big shot, RW. We need all 3 of those which is why he slots in at 4. Doesn't have the best numbers so far in his pro career but is steadily showing progress. Again a guy who's ceiling seems to be a lot lower than we were hoping a few years ago. Depending on what we do with Stamkos there's a spot for a middle 6 RW in another year. Would like to see a bit more out of him next season to really make a case for that spot.

5 Nobody - there really is no stand out 5th best prospect. Stephens has graduated to me. Volkov hasn't impressed and his AHL aren't improving. Masin is back in Europe and never really stood out. Fortier had a disappointing junior season to me and I don't see high upside. Cajkovic has been injured a lot the past two seasons. Walker and Guttman are looking good in college i just don't know if that offensive skill with translate to the pro game.

My 3 players who I think have a chance to make an impact are Colton, Crozier and Semykin. Colton is steadily improving every season and has rounded out his game nicely. I don't see high upside but someone who can be a very reliable 4C and could challenge for that spot next year if Paquette leaves. Crozier had a very good freshman year at Providence 14 points on a pretty defensive team for a defender is good. Good size, good skater and a RD so the need will be there for a 3rd pair guy in a few seasons. I haven't seen Semykin play a game live but from clips I like his game. Not very offensive oriented but strong in his own end and can lay a big hit. I said it before but he reminds me of Alexei Emelin in that regard. He's some years away so in that time we may have our LD sorted out and he could be a physical, shutdown, PK guy.
 
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