Management Sweeney: "We're Looking to Make Changes" - II

[Dr Hook]

Utter nonsense.

Perhaps it is nonsense, but it certainly felt that way. They almost never went all in with the free agents, did they? It was always penny-wise pound-foolish for Harry Sinden. I don't believe that they didn't want to win and were content just to get in the playoffs, but believe at the same time that they cheaped out when they could. I remember when they had a chance to sign Keith Tkachuk when he was still good. What was Tkachuk's quote? "Harry won't pay." So while I am sure Harry wanted Cups, they were a bit tight-fisted when some spending might have put them over the top in some of those years.

 

[JOKER 192]

I think the real question is, what if a team had 9 NMCs (not including the goalie)?

Well, that's where I was going but decided to let it go.

That's Tampa's case.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think the real question is, what if a team had 9 NMCs (not including the goalie)?

Wouldn't they be then forced to choose the 7-3-1 model?

 

[ranold26]

Or the Islanders.

Or the Canadiens.

Three dynasty teams that won 12 Cups in 13 seasons.

my post was regarding the 87-88 team.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Perhaps it is nonsense, but it certainly felt that way. They almost never went all in with the free agents, did they? It was always penny-wise pound-foolish for Harry Sinden. I don't believe that they didn't want to win and were content just to get in the playoffs, but believe at the same time that they cheaped out when they could. I remember when they had a chance to sign Keith Tkachuk when he was still good. What was Tkachuk's quoute? "Harry won't pay." So while I am sure Harry wanted Cups, they were a bit tight-fisted when some spending might have put them over the top in some of those years.

Who did Tkachuk sign with?

 

[Dr Hook]

Who did Tkachuk sign with?

St. Louis, of course. Just using him as an example of what was kind of the vibe around the team at the time. Do you think that Sinden was free with his salaries and always went all out to get the best guys he could to build a winner?

EDIT: It may have been when he re-signed with Phoenix. It's been a few years.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

my post was regarding the 87-88 team.

Sorry.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

St. Louis, of course. Just using him as an example of what was kind of the vibe around the team at the time. Do you think that Sinden was free with his salaries and always went all out to get the best guys he could to build a winner?

EDIT: I actually think he was when he re-signed with Phoenix. It's been a few years.

He certainly wasn't free with salaries. He never wanted to overpay.

But I think he was always trying to get the players that best fit his teams.

Was Sinden even the GM when Tkachuk was available?

 

[Dr Hook]

Was Sinden even the GM when Tkachuk was available?

Yes, he got "sacked" (i.e. got the 'senior advisor' role) after the 96-97 season or thereabouts.

 

[Fenian24]

Yes, he got "sacked" (i.e. got the 'senior advisor' role) after the 96-97 season or thereabouts.

Which wasn't because of years of not winning a cup but because of terrible attendance.
One big free agent signing, Kevin Steven's, other than that yearly holdouts, ( Steven's may have been a trade now that I think about it)telling players to learn to yodel and throwing around nickels like manhole covers.

If I was given an objective from my Boss and failed to do it in 10 years, never mind 30, I would be gone. So if JJ didn't can Harry for not winning a cup but did for poor attendance I wonder what the real mission statement was from Monty Burns?

 

[Dr Hook]

Which wasn't because of years of not winning a cup but because of terrible attendance.
One big free agent signing, Kevin Steven's, other than that yearly holdouts, ( Steven's may have been a trade now that I think about it)telling players to learn to yodel and throwing around nickels like manhole covers.

If I was given an objective from my Boss and failed to do it in 10 years, never mind 30, I would be gone. So if JJ didn't can Harry for not winning a cup but did for poor attendance I wonder what the real mission statement was from Monty Burns?

And isn't that what we've always suspected, that it wasn't Harry, but JJ that was the real culprit? So long as his balance sheet was positive, he was happy? But Harry's name was on the door, so he gets all the "credit"

 

[Absurdity]

Wouldn't they be then forced to choose the 7-3-1 model?

What if a team has at least 4 defensemen with NMCs or 8 forwards with NMCs? Doesn't fit the 7-3-1 model.

 

[Coach Parker]

Gryz and debrusk take up what 6 mil of that minimum? Chara 2? That's not counting the 1.9 overage either so that's 9.9 right there and cap friendly shows 14.4 under.....factor in the Covid issue with not spending to the cap and I don't see it.

I don't see Chara back and one of DeBrusk and Gyzelcyk being moved. 1.9 overage is counted into total before the 14.4 so that is not being subtracted from that. Same goes for 1.5 to Backes.

 

[Coach Parker]

Easier said than done, Coach. Covid will not go away too soon, so I really doubt they are spending to the cap.

I'm surprised that no one asked them outright if they are planning on spending to the cap or if they had an internal budget set.

 

[DominicT]

What if a team has at least 4 defensemen with NMCs or 8 forwards with NMCs? Doesn't fit the 7-3-1 model.

Then they'd better hope one of them waives.

 

[BAD BOY]

Then they'd better hope one of them waives.

Do you have news on the trade front involving Bruins or interest in F/A

 

[DominicT]

If there is a current Coyote I would love for the Bruins to take a run at, it isn't Taylor Hall or OEL.

Go get me Jan Jenik. There is Pasta's future number 1 center.

 

[DominicT]

Do you have news on the trade front involving Bruins or interest in F/A

Nope.

 

[BAD BOY]

Nope.

Thanks

 

[Son of Donegal]

If there is a current Coyote I would love for the Bruins to take a run at, it isn't Taylor Hall or OEL.

Go get me Jan Jenik. There is Pasta's future number 1 center.

From the same town as Zboril, as well.

 

[The don godfather]

Get Dvorak on the cheap and hannifin on the cheap I say.

 

[BTO]

with Krug likely walking and Chara taking 1 year deals, is there even a concern about protecting Gryz any more? Can't they just protect McAvoy, Carlo, & Gryz and be done with it? Then sign Z as soon as the expansion draft is over if that's the plan?

Mac, Carlo, Lauzon imo.

 

[since76]

I want big changes but i have serious fears on sweeny
He is great for extension contracts but for draft or trade he is just awful as hell...
Seguin, hamilton, lucic, 2015...for 125 third and fourth liners
I am excited and afraid

 

[Gator Mike]

Seguin, hamilton, lucic, 2015...for 125 third and fourth liners

1. Chiarelli traded Seguin.

2. There was nothing wrong with the Lucic trade.

 

[Coach Parker]

Sounds good , what are you doing with Lauzon?

3rd pairing. Now you need to sign or trade for a top LHD.