Value of: Sven Baertschi

Boom Boom Apathy

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Teams might be interested in him, but may not claim him and instead work out a trade after he clears so they can either send some salary back to Vancouver or have Vancouver retain some. Happened to Jussi Jokinen twice. He cleared waivers in Tampa and then right after that, Carolina traded for him sending Wade Brookbank, Josef Melichar and a 4th round pick to TB.

Years later, Carolina waived him and once he cleared, they traded him to Pittsburgh for a 6th (or 7th) round pick and retaining some salary. Granted, those were mid season moves, but the same principle applies.
 

stempniaksen

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Baertschi for Boedker once he clears waivers.

Sens get younger and can cross their fingers and hope Baertschi bounces back.

Canucks shed Baertschi's cap hit next season (as Boedker only has a year left).
 
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Bankerguy

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As a second line LW, with a decent 2C, he'd put up 40 points and look good......if he can stay healthy...
 

Siludin

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Teams might be interested in him, but may not claim him and instead work out a trade after he clears so they can either send some salary back to Vancouver or have Vancouver retain some. Happened to Jussi Jokinen twice. He cleared waivers in Tampa and then right after that, Carolina traded for him sending Wade Brookbank, Josef Melichar and a 4th round pick to TB.

Years later, Carolina waived him and once he cleared, they traded him to Pittsburgh for a 6th (or 7th) round pick and retaining some salary. Granted, those were mid season moves, but the same principle applies.
Do you really think Baertschi is waived today if he didn't get two concussions last year? There are news articles from last season talking about how he had trouble playing the game the same way, and he had to see a psych specialist in Mindfulness this offseason to start treating it. I think the Canucks see Baertschi as too much a coin-flip right now but there's no doubt he was in their plans last year before he got injured. I'd be more upset if Ferland didn't come in as a free asset.
 
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Boom Boom Apathy

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Do you really think Baertschi is waived today if he didn't get two concussions last year? There are news articles from last season talking about how he had trouble playing the game the same way, and he had to see a psych specialist in Mindfulness this offseason to start treating it. I think the Canucks see Baertschi as too much a coin-flip right now but there's no doubt he was in their plans last year before he got injured. I'd be more upset if Ferland didn't come in as a free asset.

Probably not, but that really isn't pertinent to my post. My point was that teams "may" not wanted to take a chance on him (claiming him off waivers) at a $3.4M cap hit for 2 years, particularly given your assessment of him being a coin flip. They may want to get him (with retention) at a lower cap hit and/or send a contract back if they do want to take a chance on him.

Not saying he won't be claimed or that it will work out that way, just saying that situations like that do happen when a guy has a larger cap hit like Baertschi does (as was the case with Jokinen in the examples I gave).
 

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Do you really think Baertschi is waived today if he didn't get two concussions last year? There are news articles from last season talking about how he had trouble playing the game the same way, and he had to see a psych specialist in Mindfulness this offseason to start treating it. I think the Canucks see Baertschi as too much a coin-flip right now but there's no doubt he was in their plans last year before he got injured. I'd be more upset if Ferland didn't come in as a free asset.
If Baertschi is unable to play due to the two concussions and if the Canucks need cap space wouldn't it have been better to put him on LTIR? I think the real reason Baertschi was waived was that someone took his job and by waiving him the Canucks hoped to find some small amount of cap relief. At his current salary of 3.6M/yr, there won't be many teams interested unless they have medical assurances. Some teams might find that salary too rich for their blood as well (given his production).

I was pleased to learn that Sven's Corsi % improved after he left the Flames. So if he is healthy, teams might be interested.
 

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His cap hit is just too much. His injury history is bad enough that you need a contingency plan (ie another signed contract) just to make to for the game he probably won't play.

Unfortunately, the NHL is at a place where the really good gets get paid a fortune and there's very little room for borderline top 6 players.
 

perronist

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Remember when the Flames got “fleeced”?

I remember that.

it wasn't so long ago that certain canucks fans were extolling the baertschi and granlund trades as moments of brilliance for benning

What did the pick turn into?

rasmus andersson, 22 year old defender who played some top pairing shifts in the playoffs
 

Uncle Scrooge

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Baertschi is not the worst forward on the Canucks. If they don't think he's part of their top 12, whether it's meh form in camp after a long time off or the right role, he should've just been a healthy scratch to start while Eriksson's useless ass gets buried in the minors, and see how the season unfolds at the start with injuries and stuff. (heck, Sven had almost as many goals in 26 games last year as Loui had in 81)

However there's the salary cap and once Roussell comes back from IR, there's no way to fit all these guys under the cap, and burying Loui wouldn't cut it.

So obviously the Canucks deemed at least with Baertschi someone might bite and you get the 3M+ cap space which makes things easier moving forward (just send Gaudette down when Roussell comes back for example).

And honestly - if Sprong/Ho-Sang didn't hit the waiver wire today, i would definitely take the chance on Sven if im the Oilers. Sure, he might not stay healthy again, but at the same time i wager if he was healthy he scores 20 goals every single season the last 3 years for the Canucks. That's not a bad gamble to take, especially when he only has 2 more years and you know if he's not playing he's sitting on the LTIR, not like he's a 6M dollar player eating popcorn as a healthy scratch. I mean, there's a decent chance the guy can at least manage one healthy season in his career, right ? :dunno:

But, now that there's different options with younger, cheaper & 'healthier' guys he might just sneak through.
 
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Baertschi is not the worst forward on the Canucks. If they don't think he's part of their top 12, whether it's meh form in camp after a long time off or the right role, he should've just been a healthy scratch to start while Eriksson's useless ass gets buried in the minors, and see how the season unfolds at the start with injuries and stuff. (heck, Sven had almost as many goals in 26 games last year as Loui had in 81)

However there's the salary cap and once Roussell comes back from IR, there's no way to fit all these guys under the cap, and burying Loui wouldn't cut it.

So obviously the Canucks deemed at least with Baertschi someone might bite and you get the 3M+ cap space which makes things easier moving forward (just send Gaudette down when Roussell comes back for example).

And honestly - if Sprong/Ho-Sang didn't hit the waiver wire today, i would definitely take the chance on Sven if im the Oilers. Sure, he might not stay healthy again, but at the same time i wager if he was healthy he scores 20 goals every single season the last 3 years for the Canucks. That's not a bad gamble to take, especially when he only has 2 more years and you know if he's not playing he's sitting on the LTIR, not like he's a 6M dollar player eating popcorn as a healthy scratch. I mean, there's a decent chance the guy can at least manage one healthy season in his career, right ? :dunno:

But, now that there's different options with younger, cheaper & 'healthier' guys he might just sneak through.

I don't think the Oilers could fit him in (as a waiver claim) with their cap situation.
 

Bertuzzzi44

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Decent skilled middle 6 winger, plays kind of soft and on the perimeter but has good offensive instincts. Concussion history and cap doesn’t help his stock.
 

Cogburn

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What? :laugh:

Pearson was amazing when he got traded to us and him and Horvat have chemistry. He’s a legit top 9 forward. You pick Schaller, Eriksson, Motte, etc instead of Pearson? :facepalm:

And has been less amazing this off season compared to...well any one other than those guys. MacEwan or Gaudette or Baertschi or even Virtanen or Goldobin all looked better.

Two of those three are trash and one didn't look any worse than Pearson to me.
 

Addison Rae

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What? :laugh:

Pearson was amazing when he got traded to us and him and Horvat have chemistry. He’s a legit top 9 forward. You pick Schaller, Eriksson, Motte, etc instead of Pearson? :facepalm:
Pearson shot at a completely unsuitable rate and was absolutely terrible in LA and Pittsburgh last season.

He’s a tweener the same way Baertschi is.
 

deckercky

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However there's the salary cap and once Roussell comes back from IR, there's no way to fit all these guys under the cap, and burying Loui wouldn't cut it.



edit: For clarity - the Canucks roster does not have a cap issue. Assuming nobody waived is claimed (so only $1.05M cap relief from removing the player from roster), I'm pretty sure there is no combination of a 23 man roster that is over the cap. In fact, most 24 man rosters I test out are falling under the cap.
 
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