TSN: Suspended D Voynov signs in KHL

[Gotaf7]

And two years since the episode they get married and 9 month later his wife gave a birth to a baby. That’s what usually happens between offender and victim. Burn him now!!!

Wow so much Pejorative Slur in this post I don’t know where to start! My wife deals with this shit everyday, you would not believe the amount of beatings and abuse a lot of women take till they realize nothing is going to change, it would absolutely blow your mind. This was not the first time Slava beat the shit out of his wife and I would bet it was not the last! Let that POS rot in Russia where beating your spouse is not frowned upon.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Wow so much ****** in this post I don’t know where to start! My wife deals with this **** everyday, you would not believe the amount of beatings and abuse a lot of women take till they realize nothing is going to change, it would absolutely blow your mind. This was not the first time Slava beat the **** out of his wife and I would bet it was not the last! Let that POS rot in Russia where beating your spouse is not frowned upon.

Don't argue with him, he seems to defend the attackers for some reason

 

[glovesave_35]

Just a general question, are there photos publicly available taken after the incident?

 

[Fnysnipe77]

Flames already have 8 NHL-level defensemen, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

They were supposed to be shopping hamonic. They are stocked with good goalie prospects. So they need another winger or a good 2 or 3 line center. The 3rd nets them a couple picks. Knowing Trev though that return was prob grabo.

 

[wuf]

I don't think any team is willing to take a gamble on this guy. Nobody needs that bad press, and he's not so incredibly good that it might seem like it could be worth it. It's not.

 

[Zine]

The same physical evidence that was damning enough for him to accept a guilty plea and a 90 day jail sentence

Voynov pleaded to a misdemeanor which was later was dismissed. Looks like there was no evidence to charge him with more severe penalties as they would someone who “beats wives till they’re unrecognizable”. Voynov royally f***ed up and should be punished; but how much of the incident was an accident compared to abuse, only the Voynov's know.

But, to the point, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of evidence and reality. There’s either no, or conflicting evidence to support the claim that Voynov “beats the living piss out of his wife on a regular basis" and/or "he takes pleasure in beating women". To say as such then cherry pick quotes out of the totality of conflicting claims is BS; as it would be for somebody to claim he's completely innocent and validate the opinion with Varlamova's other quotes. All we know for certain is she's still with him.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Disturbing Evidence of a Beating

- Redondo Beach police officer: Voynov's wife had laceration over left eye, blood streaming, red marks on neck.
- Officer says Voynov's wife said he struck her in the face with his fist.
- Officer: Voynov pushed wife to ground multiple times, kicked her repeatedly while on ground, chocked her three times.
- Officer: Voynov pushed her into flat-screen TV where she cut her face.
- Officer: Voynov's wife required eight stitches to close wound above left eye.
- Officer: "There's bruising, red marks, scratches on the victim's neck."
- At Voynov's home, the officer noted blood all over bedroom, including covering comforter and a bloody handprint on floor.
- Lead prosecutor Frank Dunnick: "there's evidence to suggest prior domestic violence" involving Voynov.
Fenno added that while he could only “catch quick glimpses of photos of the injuries to Voynov's wife” and there was “lots of blood.”

What do you need more... No GM should give him the chance to come in they NHL.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Disturbing Evidence of a Beating

- Redondo Beach police officer: Voynov's wife had laceration over left eye, blood streaming, red marks on neck.
- Officer says Voynov's wife said he struck her in the face with his fist.
- Officer: Voynov pushed wife to ground multiple times, kicked her repeatedly while on ground, chocked her three times.
- Officer: Voynov pushed her into flat-screen TV where she cut her face.
- Officer: Voynov's wife required eight stitches to close wound above left eye.
- Officer: "There's bruising, red marks, scratches on the victim's neck."
- At Voynov's home, the officer noted blood all over bedroom, including covering comforter and a bloody handprint on floor.
- Lead prosecutor Frank Dunnick: "there's evidence to suggest prior domestic violence" involving Voynov.
Fenno added that while he could only “catch quick glimpses of photos of the injuries to Voynov's wife” and there was “lots of blood.”

What do you need more... No GM should give him the chance to come in they NHL.

One thing for sure a time line of the cops treating her. Was treatment withheld until the "interview was done" Marta first language is/was Russian. Was the cop fluent in Russian or was there a translator there I think theses are important pieces of this case missing and plays a big part in the cop testimony. If there was a interputer I would be a lot more convinced of his guilt. Am i nieve to think nothing happened no. However do i think it happened to the extent the cops are reporting it Hell no

 

[NORiculous]

Because there's no way she was telling the truth, and that later she was pressured by Voynov to change her story right? Nah I'm sure it's just her somehow causing herself injuries consistent with domestic abuse and lying about it for ~reasons

That’s just a guess you are making.

 

[NORiculous]

Disturbing Evidence of a Beating

- Redondo Beach police officer: Voynov's wife had laceration over left eye, blood streaming, red marks on neck.
- Officer says Voynov's wife said he struck her in the face with his fist.
- Officer: Voynov pushed wife to ground multiple times, kicked her repeatedly while on ground, chocked her three times.
- Officer: Voynov pushed her into flat-screen TV where she cut her face.
- Officer: Voynov's wife required eight stitches to close wound above left eye.
- Officer: "There's bruising, red marks, scratches on the victim's neck."
- At Voynov's home, the officer noted blood all over bedroom, including covering comforter and a bloody handprint on floor.
- Lead prosecutor Frank Dunnick: "there's evidence to suggest prior domestic violence" involving Voynov.
Fenno added that while he could only “catch quick glimpses of photos of the injuries to Voynov's wife” and there was “lots of blood.”

What do you need more... No GM should give him the chance to come in they NHL.

To start, you can look at the following:

She refuted it in a personal letter to the court, but the judge wanted no part of it.

In the letter she stated she was interrogated ad nauseam at the hospital instead of being given medical treatment. She didn't understand half of what was being said and repeatedly asked for an interpreter (Voynov) and to have her wound stitched up, yet the authorities refused to comply.
She then alluded to telling authorities, out of desperation, what she thought they wanted to hear just so she could finally receive medical treatment.

https://www.sovsport.ru/amp/593714

At this point, all HB can do is guess.

The law say « beyond a reasonable doubt ». I think we are in the reasonable territory.

I’m for the suspension but I think in the circumstances its ok to give the guy a 2nd chance. She did and seems happy.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

ll we know for certain is she's still with him.

it's hard and difficult for the abuse to leave those kind of relationships, you don't know anything about how hard it is to leave a toxic relationship and being controlled like that.


People talk over their hat " but shes still with him so he doesn't beat her everyday!" f***ing trash ass comment IMO and show how clueless you are in these type of situation.

A grown and really strong teacher of mine once told my university group the ways she had been abused by her husband, she stood with him for 5 years of abuse, sometimes it's harder than you think leaving those situations, even if you hate him or you are the strongest person on earth

 

[Mike Dukarm]

No NHL... so what.

This is a small price for him to pay for what he did. He will play hockey in KHL with a contact of 1 000 000+...

If his wife decide to forgive him, its her choice (but she didnt fell in the tv and cut herself). Hes lucky to not be in jail and he can still play his sport..

So stop defending him, he is not the victim here, she is.

Bravo again for NHL owners and GMs. Hope he will not be back in NHL. They gave a clear message, thoses gestures will not be accepted.

 

[Zine]

it's hard and difficult for the abuse to leave those kind of relationships, you don't know anything about how hard it is to leave a toxic relationship and being controlled like that.


People talk over their hat " but shes still with him so he doesn't beat her everyday!" ****ing trash ass comment IMO and show how clueless you are in these type of situation.

A grown and really strong teacher of mine once told my university group the ways she had been abused by her husband, she stood with him for 5 years of abuse, sometimes it's harder than you think leaving those situations, even if you hate him or you are the strongest person on earth

What you say is correct, but it may or may not apply to Voynov. You don’t (nor does anybody else here) have the knowledge of their situation to claim as such.

 

[Zine]

yes we do, the police report said it was almost like a crime scene, he was guilty of beating her.
Everything matched the police report and her injury.

Russia, is a country where domestic abuse wasn't illegal, do you know that ? but he still got jailed for domestic violence, I guess you can judge how incriminating the crime scene and her marks were and stop doubting a women victimized by her ****ty husband ?

What are you going on about? I was responding to your insinuation that it's difficult for Varlamova to leave her 'abusive' relationship. You, nor does anybody else, have any clue about the state of their current marriage. Like someone said earlier, perhaps Voynov stopped drinking and is now a supportive and non-threatening husband. None of us know.

Plus, at the end of the day, the police are not the final authority on what occurred. That is for the court to decide. And, as such, Voynov was charged with a misdemeanor which was later dismissed.

 

[Zine]

No NHL... so what.

This is a small price for him to pay for what he did. He will play hockey in KHL with a contact of 1 000 000+...

If his wife decide to forgive him, its her choice (but she didnt fell in the tv and cut herself). Hes lucky to not be in jail and he can still play his sport..

So stop defending him, he is not the victim here, she is.

Bravo again for NHL owners and GMs. Hope he will not be back in NHL. They gave a clear message, thoses gestures will not be accepted.

NHL owners and GMs don’t give two shits about domestic abuse. They only care if it potentially hurts their bottom line.
If an abuser elicits a standing ovation = WIN!
The NHL needs to stop celebrating Bobby Hull
Bobby Hull representing the Hawks is an embarrassment


Too bad for Voynov he’s not a good old Canadian great.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

NHL owners and GMs don’t give two ****s about domestic abuse. They only care if it potentially hurts their bottom line.
If an abuser elicits a standing ovation = WIN!
The NHL needs to stop celebrating Bobby Hull
Bobby Hull representing the Hawks is an embarrassment


Too bad for Voynov he’s not a good old Canadian great.

With MeToo. we are not in the same king of tough. Before it was hidden by owners... but now with medias (internet ..) they have to give a F...

Reaction of Fans + Tickets selling is a big reason for not to sign Voynov. Bad publicity for the product.

Again Voynov have to pay somewhere for his behavior... The price was no contract in north america. Small price to pay for his actions.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

What are you going on about? I was responding to your insinuation that it's difficult for Varlamova to leave her 'abusive' relationship. You, nor does anybody else, have any clue about the state of their current marriage. Like someone said earlier, perhaps Voynov stopped drinking and is now a supportive and non-threatening husband. None of us know.

Plus, at the end of the day, the police are not the final authority on what occurred. That is for the court to decide. And, as such, Voynov was charged with a misdemeanor which was later dismissed.

do you have a wife or children ? My guess is NO

 

[YP44]

With MeToo. we are not in the same king of tough. Before it was hidden by owners... but now with medias (internet ..) they have to give a F...

Reaction of Fans + Tickets selling is a big reason for not to sign Voynov. Bad publicity for the product.

Again Voynov have to pay somewhere for his behavior... The price was no contract in north america. Small price to pay for his actions.

one thing the NHL should get credit for is when the suspended him for all but 6 games it was before the me too movement.

 

[Hanji]

Wow so much ****** in this post I don’t know where to start! My wife deals with this **** everyday, you would not believe the amount of beatings and abuse a lot of women take till they realize nothing is going to change, it would absolutely blow your mind. This was not the first time Slava beat the **** out of his wife and I would bet it was not the last! Let that POS rot in Russia where beating your spouse is not frowned upon.

I grew up with a rough patch of physical abuse in the family, spawned by my father’s alcoholism. A true Jekyll & Hyde. When abuse crossed over from emotional to physical my mother put up an ultimatum; the bottle or the family. He quit immediately. That was 38 years ago and in that time he’s been the greatest father anybody could ask for.
I’ve been saying this entire tread, individuals should not be judged in absolutes. Everybody's situation is different, people make different mistakes for different reasons, people have different problems and descend from different backgrounds and worldviews. Throwing all wife beaters into the same category by maintaining they all act alike and their spouses all react the same to them is entirely ridiculous.

 

[HanSolo]

What you say is correct, but it may or may not apply to Voynov. You don’t (nor does anybody else here) have the knowledge of their situation to claim as such.

Bud, I'm all for innocent until proven guilty. But the evidence in favor of the existence of abuse is substantial. And the reality cannot be ignored that women in these situations overwhelmingly have a tendency to under report their abuse, or change their tune by the time they are asked to testify in court (I was a criminal justice major and while I don't remember the stats off the top of my head, it's the biggest problem facing domestic abuse enforcement in the United States.)

Sure. We don't know what was going on behind closed doors and we don't know how much the cops may have exaggerated. What we do know is that the cops found her with at least significant enough injuries that everyone found out about this. The likelihood that those injuries were self inflicted are slim to none. Her still being with Slava is not evidence that nothing happened. Regardless of how bad it was, the evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt that he beat her at least once. By the same token we can say we don't know how bad it was or what caused it because we don't have personal knowledge of what was going on in the privacy of their home, we also don't know if Slava was beating her regularly. Like I said, what we do know is the police found his wife with injuries indicative of domestic violence.

This "we weren't there so we can't say anything" is a poor excuse and the kind of thinking that makes it so hard to help battered women in crisis.

 

[Hally BlackWood]

Might as well join our devils he’s going to hell anyways lol.

 

[Pastawithsauce]

I'm fine with Voynov coming back. He lost a lot of money and prime career years for his actions. If Mike Vick can have dog fights and come back to the NFL I'm fine with Voynov returning to North America as long as he stays out of trouble. People deserve second chances. Sometimes third.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

I'm fine with Voynov coming back. He lost a lot of money and prime career years for his actions. If Mike Vick can have dog fights and come back to the NFL I'm fine with Voynov returning to North America as long as he stays out of trouble. People deserve second chances. Sometimes third.

Two wrong dont make a right. If NFL didnt make the right decision or an other league, they will live with that decision, but NHL and NHL Owners, NHL Gms see the situation differently.

People deserve second chance if they change something about it... do we know if Voynov have changed.. i dont know. So no chance for me.. for now

 

[Telos]

I'm sure he will try next year after his suspension is up and he can talk to teams for a full-year deal. Whether or not someone bites is another story, but he could be an impossibly cheap number four and someone might get desperate. In all likelihood, no franchise will want to touch him; however, if he throws up another solid KHL year and someone struggles to compete, some team could break. Hopefully he comes back, but we don't know the league interest in him yet. Only one team has really commented on it and that was the Kings' official statement that they wouldn't sign him.

 

[NORiculous]

it's hard and difficult for the abuse to leave those kind of relationships, you don't know anything about how hard it is to leave a toxic relationship and being controlled like that.


People talk over their hat " but shes still with him so he doesn't beat her everyday!" ****ing trash ass comment IMO and show how clueless you are in these type of situation.

A grown and really strong teacher of mine once told my university group the ways she had been abused by her husband, she stood with him for 5 years of abuse, sometimes it's harder than you think leaving those situations, even if you hate him or you are the strongest person on earth

True but you can’t assume without prof this is the case with the Voynov’s. It could, but that is not sure. It could very well not be.