TSN: Suspended D Voynov signs in KHL

[sufferer]

The victim seemed to have gotten over it much faster than everyone else.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Ehm, she doesn't speak english and doesn't know this words. If I will make an interview with you in russian you may end up being responsible for Chernobyl, WW2, Tungus meteorite, native siberian peoples exctinction and bad vodka I had yesterday.
Red marks are usually from clothes. Maybe he was holding her or maybe he was restraining her. We don't know.

Ohhhh so she just started speaking random English words and they just happened to land together saying her husband punched, kicked, choked and smashed in her face?

What a coincidence!!

 

[saintunspecified]

I'll rephrase : he can serve his NHL suspension (when he's not under contract to any NHL team) in the KHL?

I'm asking, because suspensions usually results in players not being paid (and their salary being transferred into some kind of fund). So he'll basically escape that part of the penalty.

I'm interested in this from an academic point of view - does a player have to be under contract to serve a suspension like this one? I'd think it signing a contract and not playing would be difficult - how would a foreign player get a visa to serve a suspension?

I think the question is academic, though bc I'm pretty certain he'll never play in the NHL again.

 

[Garl]

Ohhhh so she just started speaking random English words and they just happened to land together saying her husband punched, kicked, choked and smashed in her face?

What a coincidence!!

I didn't say this. Most likely there was an interview made by a policeman. He asked her and interpreted her broken english words. Again, in the aftermath she told about the accident in her native language. You need a link?

 

[CDJ]

Dude, we argue with my wife, sometimes there is screaming. Mostly from her though.
The marks can be recieved accidentially. This is a fact.

Neighbours saw nothing. Heard some screaming in russian from 2 drunk individuals. Not a good evidence of "kicking, smashing etc"

Yeah but her face and neck were good evidence of kicking and smashing seeing as how he got convicted soooooo keep dying on this hill. You look fantastic darling! Slayyyyyy

 

[MXD]

So Kuznetsov shouldn't play for 4 years in the NHL?

Please explain your rationale behind this post, because I just can't any make sense out of this.

 

[MXD]

I'm interested in this from an academic point of view - does a player have to be under contract to serve a suspension like this one? I'd think it signing a contract and not playing would be difficult - how would a foreign player get a visa to serve a suspension?

I think the question is academic, though bc I'm pretty certain he'll never play in the NHL again.

This is exactly what I'm interested in, too. I don't care much about Voynov specifically, but I'm really curious as to whether a player who is not under an NHL contract can be serving an NHL suspension, and if there's any difference in the case where the player is a RFA.

 

[Garl]

Yeah but her face and neck were good evidence of kicking and smashing seeing as how he got convicted soooooo keep dying on this hill. You look fantastic darling! Slayyyyyy

No, not good evidence my emotional friend. The face was the result of the cut from an fall on the TV screen, and we don't know wether it was an intentional "smashing" or accidental fall, but honestly it's hard to intentionally cut another person by smashing the head on the TV, and neck is definately not a good evidence of "kicking and smashing".

Yes, he got convicted. Yaroslav Popovich also got convicted for rape and kill of his cousin, and then 9 years after turned out he was not guilty, as she was a victim of a famous maniac. Court conviction doesn't mean guilt all the times.

 

[saintunspecified]

This is exactly what I'm interested in, too. I don't care much about Voynov specifically, but I'm really curious as to whether a player who is not under an NHL contract can be serving an NHL suspension, and if there's any difference in the case where the player is a RFA.

Consider the case of someone who is serving a drug suspension (PED or otherwise). If such a player didn't have a contract, it's quite possible requiring a player to have a contract in order to serve a suspension would create a situation where that player was effectively frozen out of the league. That strikes me as being unfairly punitive. That thinking has zero to do with my view about Voynov.

 

[NyQuil]

Yes, he got convicted. Yaroslav Popovich also got convicted for rape and kill of his cousin, and then 9 years after turned out he was not guilty, as she was a victim of a famous maniac. Court conviction doesn't mean guilt all the times.

Right, the "some other person who was convicted was actually innocent" defence.

 

[Garl]

Right, the "some other person who was convicted was actually innocent" defence.

If it proves my point, why not?

 

[NyQuil]

If it proves my point, why not?

All it proves is that the other guy was innocent.

It's a terrible argument.

It's called false equivalence.

 

[Rangers ftw]

Guy deserves a 2nd chance. People change.

He does not.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

The victim seemed to have gotten over it much faster than everyone else.

Outrage culture in full force.

 

[Rangers ftw]

I think this attitude's problematic, though. While people make mistakes, I also don't think they should label them for the rest of their lives.

I agree. However, they should not be in positions where they can be idolized by young people who tend to be influenced by their idols. He can work with whatever for all I care, but no need to let him back into the NHL.

 

[MXD]

Consider the case of someone who is serving a drug suspension (PED or otherwise). If such a player didn't have a contract, it's quite possible requiring a player to have a contract in order to serve a suspension would create a situation where that player was effectively frozen out of the league. That strikes me as being unfairly punitive. That thinking has zero to do with my view about Voynov.

Yup. There is something absurd to the possibility of serving a suspension while NOT being under contract; however, a half season is a VERY, VERY long period, and with the rules governing NHL contracts/SPC, along with the Salary Cap, requiring that Voynov be signed to serve a suspension would basically have the effect of giving him a lifetime ban, because teams would have to forego a contract spot, a roster spot (or maybe not?) and cap room for a half-season.

I mean, if Voynov was 22, fine, that may be worth it. But he's turning 30 in 4 months.

Not to mention that he kinda has to play. Roster rules means he cannot play in Europe (not sure for the AHL) during those 41 games.

 

[Claypool]

*Accidentally* killed his teammate seems to be the word you keep omitting.

You think Heatley thought to himself, “I’m going to purposely smash this car and risk my life so my friend dies!”

Because Voynov DID think “I’m going to smash my Wife’s face and do major damage to her”.

Once again, hope you could see the difference.

You don’t accidentally drive 80 in a 35.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You don’t accidentally drive 80 in a 35.

You’re right. He was an idiot. Does that mean he MEANT to do harm to himself and Snyder?

Again, you can’t understand the difference between purposely harming someone and accidentally doing so through a stupid choice?

 

[NyQuil]

He does not.

I think he's guilty but I also think he deserves a second chance.

We hand out sentences in law.

He didn't get a life sentence, so I'm not sure why we're supposed to act like he deserves one.

You don't have to like him, but I don't think you can exclude him from employment after he serves his sentence.

 

[MXD]

I think he's guilty but I also think he deserves a second chance.

We hand out sentences in law.

He didn't get a life sentence, so I'm not sure why we're supposed to act like he deserves one.

You don't have to like him, but I don't think you can exclude him from employment after he serves his sentence.

...But you can't really force a team to sign him either.
(You're smart, so I know you weren't implying this; and, since I'm smart, you'll reckon that I'm not adovcating for collusion)

 

[NyQuil]

...But you can't really force a team to sign him either.
(You're smart, so I know you weren't implying this; and, since I'm smart, you'll reckon that I'm not adovcating for collusion)

Yeah, I get the PR implications of it.

 

[unicornpig]

You’re right. He was an idiot. Does that mean he MEANT to do harm to himself and Snyder?

Again, you can’t understand the difference between purposely harming someone and accidentally doing so through a stupid choice?

and if he ran over a kid? he didn't meant to though......great logic.

 

[nbwingsfan]

and if he ran over a kid? he didn't meant to though......great logic.

Still amazing people can’t see the difference between making a stupid decision and consciously hurting someone.

 

[CDJ]

and if he ran over a kid? he didn't meant to though......great logic.

Intent matters, that’s why it’s accounted for in law. That poster is right, it is what it is.

the “great logic” quip is hilarious.....it’s literally law.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Still wish this guy signed in Anaheim. Quality player