Transfer: Summer Transfers part 3

[Chimaera]

I also think he takes a lot of work and help to be the player he should be. That’s my concern for what they paid. He needs someone to do a lot of the lifting so he can do a bit of the offensive magic.

 

[StevenF1919]

Don't say he's overrated after having a great WC.

He was always the third best midfielder at Juve and has not been impressive at all at United. He was good at the WC but was also unimpressive at the euros. With transfer fees skyrocketing it doesn't look like an awful deal now like it did at the time but he wasn't worth anywhere near what United paid for him.

SMS was far more impressive last season than Pogba ever was at Juve. It blows my mind that elite teams aren't paying what Lotito is demanding. If he doesn't become a top 3 midfielder I'd be shocked.

 

[Cassano]

SMS is being overrated big time as the new favorite hipster player. He was not better than Pogba for his last 3 seasons at Juventus.

I get that Pogba has been less than stellar in England, but he's playing under a dinosaur manager with shit tactics.

 

[Deficient Mode]

SMS is being overrated big time as the new favorite hipster player. He was not better than Pogba for his last 3 seasons at Juventus.

I get that Pogba has been less than stellar in England, but he's playing under a dinosaur manager with **** tactics.

SMS has been too big to be a hipster attraction pretty much the entire year tbh

 

[Chimaera]

I think the manager is easy to blame, but he also isn’t completely stupid. Some of the blame for me goes to players around him who aren’t physically capable to do the grunt work he needs to look better. Matic is too slow to do much to make him look better when he is with him.

 

[StevenF1919]

SMS is being overrated big time as the new favorite hipster player. He was not better than Pogba for his last 3 seasons at Juventus.

I get that Pogba has been less than stellar in England, but he's playing under a dinosaur manager with **** tactics.

I watched every single game Pogba played in a Juve jersey and a good chunk of SMS' last couple seasons with Lazio. SMS has been much better with a far worse team. Scoring 12 goals as a midfielder in the Serie A is ridiculously impressive, especially on a team like Lazio. He's an incredible dribbler for a player of his size and is excellent defensively as well. Him and Skriniar are two young players who had big breakout seasons last year and should be garnering more interest than they have been from big clubs.

 

[Live in the Now]

SMS scored 14 goals from CM last season and none were penalties. 100% not overrated.

 

[StevenF1919]

I think the manager is easy to blame, but he also isn’t completely stupid. Some of the blame for me goes to players around him who aren’t physically capable to do the grunt work he needs to look better. Matic is too slow to do much to make him look better when he is with him.

When Pogba played in Italy there was talk of Conte/Allegri not utilizing him properly as well. Either all these managers are idiots or Pogba isn't as good as people think he is.

 

[Edo]

RE: Pogba.

All Mourinho's fault. The guy is rigid, and doesn't know how to manage talent. Everyone at United looks like shit.

 

[Gecklund]

How many people have actually watched a United game? Because he doesn't look bad at all when playing. He has been played out of position all season. It's him and Lukaku carrying this team. Hopefully they buy someone like Perisic and a CB that can play the ball and then this team looks fantastic if Alexis can turn it around.

Alexis-Lukaku-Perisic/other winger
Pogba-Fred
Matic
Shaw-CB-Bailly-Valencia

 

[Luigi Habs]

Pogba doesn’t have the capability to influence the flow of the play like a Modric can. But Pogba can show flashes of brilliance very few other players can.

I can’t say he’s overrated, but I can see why people feel he’s underwhelming in some games. I would welcome him back with Juve any time - but bring me a Vidal clone with him.

 

[Gecklund]

Pogba will be one of the best players in the PL and United’s best player next season. You heard it hear first!

 

[StevenF1919]

but bring me a Vidal clone with him.

Should have bought Torreira.

 

[Cassano]

Pogba was really f***ing good with Juve - too much revisionist history here. He carried them so many times in big matches especially towards the latter part of his tenure.

Yes, early in his career he wasnt as good as Pirlo (top 5 mid of this generation) and Vidal (best b2b besides Henderson) at the time. It's like knocking Busquets for being 3rd best during Pep's Spanish dominance.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think both Mou and Pogs are to blame for Pogs "struggles". It's clear that Pogba is supposed to do everything in the midfield under Mou and the man needs some help. Now is Pogba inconsistent? Of course. But he isn't being played to his strengths. I think bringing in a player like Fred will help out Pogba as we will have 2 midfielders capable of being on the ball and being somewhat creative with it instead of Pogs being the only remotely creative player in the midfield. There's also this issue that United has also just been incredibly poorly designed. There's been no plan on what kind of team we are, we have no identity as a team. We have a solid core to build around but they half assed building said team with players that don't entirely compliment each other. So while Pogs definitely deserves some of the blame for his bad "form", there's more to it than Pogba sucks.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Pogba was really ****ing good with Juve - too much revisionist history here. He carried them so many times in big matches especially towards the latter part of his tenure.

Yes, early in his career he wasnt as good as Pirlo (top 5 mid of this generation) and Vidal (best b2b besides Henderson) at the time. It's like knocking Busquets for being 3rd best during Pep's Spanish dominance.

!!!!!

 

[Cassano]

If aubameyang waited he couldve been at real Madrid right now

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Weigl on the way out?

 

[Deficient Mode]

Weigl on the way out?

Weigl was suffering from a groin injury for two months with little change, and could miss time at the start of this season. Witsel has to be a backup only. Preferably just don't buy him.

 

[Deficient Mode]

If aubameyang waited he couldve been at real Madrid right now

I didn't think about that but it's probably true. I believe Zidane was the one who didn't want him.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Weigl was suffering from a groin injury for two months with little change, and could miss time at the start of this season. Witsel has to be a backup only. Preferably just don't buy him.

How large is his salary? If Weigl's only going to miss some time, we paid a lot for Delaney. This seems more of a permanent deal than a fill-in for a guy whose temporarily injured.

 

[Havre]

Of course Witsel will not be bought as a back-up, but he could very well end up becoming one.

 

[Evilo]

No question he was bought for way too much. I said it here at the time. He was bought on potential to be the best player in the world because he has the tools to.
But he shouldn't be judged on those crazy expectations.

Anyway, indeed, PSG has agreed with BVB for a 50M transfer for Weigl. Terms with the players have yet to be agreed. BVB will buy Witsel to replace him.

 

[YNWA14]

Good business for BvB. Witsel is better than Weigl anyway. Though I guess from an age perspective they'll need to find a replacement again sooner than later.

 

[Deficient Mode]

How large is his salary? If Weigl's only going to miss some time, we paid a lot for Delaney. This seems more of a permanent deal than a fill-in for a guy whose temporarily injured.

He was on a huge salary in China. It's China after all. His salary there was nearly double the highest paid BVB player.

Good business for BvB. Witsel is better than Weigl anyway. Though I guess from an age perspective they'll need to find a replacement again sooner than later.

No he's not.