Transfer: Summer Transfer News and Rumors Part III

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  1. Los merengues

    Los merengues Registered User

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    So we agree on most things. What comes to the chart. I saw it, but it has little to do with press resistance or ball retetion. James scores, assists makes more key passes compared to many players. Thats a given. Hi simply isnt a player to play for a "super team" like Bayern or Madrid. He is the perfect guy for though Napoli.

    What comes to that Zidane episode you are correct. But Even If Zidane didn't have anything against James its a fact that Isco did exactly what James shouldve. He fought for his spot back then and with Bale around injured, being more interested in golf than the team and performing badly when not injured. Isco got alot of playing time time on 4-1-2-1-2. That couldve been James.
     
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    Wrong.

    xGChain and xGBuildup were designed to encompass those things. For example, the guy who's a god in those categories is Thiago Alcantara.

    Straight from the creator's mouth : "It’s my hope that it can sit alongside xG and xA as a basic, straightforward metric to reveal the contributions of of players involved in the earlier stages of attacking moves, such as deep lying playmakers, or creative centre-backs."
     
  3. Los merengues

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    Except it doesnt even how much he would hope for it to.
     
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    Maguire is a slightly better Chris Smalling with better aerial presence. I don't even want United to buy him, much less for 75+M
     
  5. Il Mediano

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    I take it English isn't your first language, but do you want to try that sentence again?

    xGChain/Buildup are along the same lines as the newer "Packing" statistic. It's all quantifying things towards actions outside of final product.
     
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    Zidane's interest in Eriksen seems to have really cooled off. Haven't been any rumours of other teams in on him either.

    Quote from the Eriksen interview a few days ago:

    So basically he's saying that he won't do Spurs dirty by running out his contract if he doesn't get sold this summer.
     
  7. kyle evs48

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    There is a pocket of fans of English football that really rate Maguire. Last season, I asked a friend of mine who he thought was the best player outside the top six and his response was Maguire.

    I also asked around this board because I truly don't watch enough Leicester to confidently assess his ability. But is Leicester just going to gouge a big club because he's English?
     
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    Its not.

    I know what xGChain/buildup is. But it doesnt have much to do with ball retention.

    Touches, passes complited, passing %, long balls, posession won/lost tells you a way more accurate story of a players contribution on that area.
     
  9. East Coast Bias

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    Leicester don't really need to sell and are looking to compete now.

    I'm not going to freak out over prices unless he's sold for a big fee. Because Leicester saying "he'll cost you 75m" could just be their way of saying f off.
     
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  11. Chimaera

    Chimaera same ol' Caps

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    A lot of guys will get looks in friendlies, as they're going to give some rest to a number of the main line guys. 7 things to play for means a ton of matches.

    I don't think that's anything more than the expectation. He could earn his way into a spot with a really good camp and some highlights in friendlies, but he could also increase his sale or loan value with the same.
     
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    Ok, so you removed press-resisting entirely, and just went with ball-retention... ok, if you wanna go there, let's keep in mind this golden rule: the further forward the player, the more likely they will lose possession

    Those stats you mentioned are entirely dependant on the role you're asked to play, and the tactics of your team, and a myriad of other factors (such as quality of teammates). But if you want to use those statistics you highlighted, here it goes:

    Touches:

    Unsuccessful per/90 : James 0.7.... Tied with Thiago, and better than Goretzka, Martinez, Alaba, Gnabry, Lewandowski, Muller, Kimmich et al.

    Really, only Tolisso and the CB's had better unsuccessful touches numbers (for obvious reasons).

    Sooo, it sure seems like he holds onto the ball extremely well.

    Passes completed:

    44.0 per/90. Outside of defenders, Thiago's the only guy on the team who averages higher.

    Passing %:

    87% . Again, outside of defenders, only Thiago is better.

    Long Balls:

    Hey, whattaya know... only Thiago and defenders again. Wonder why that is.

    Possession won/lost:

    Dispossessed: 0.6/90. Better than: Thiago (imagine that), Ribery, Coman, Lewandowski, Kimmich, Alaba, Goretzka, Robben..... literally the only guy outside of CB's who was better in that department was friggin' Thomas Muller. And if you watch Muller play... you'd know exactly why that is.

    So honestly, I played your game of saying my stats are worthless, and used the stats you specified...and guess what? James still kicks ass.

    His defensive numbers aren't very good, but anyone who knows anything about football should know that about him already. He's a 10.
     
  13. spintheblackcircle

    spintheblackcircle ...so that happened.

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    I don't think he's wrong.
     
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