summer trades and signings chat

kliq

Registered User
Dec 17, 2017
2,727
1,319
I wonder which of our players we could actually trade at the NHL trade deadline

Considering there are no injuries this year, I do think there will be interest in E and Daley. I know people love to rip E, but a guy his size being placed on the 3rd pairing or being used as a 7th D could be valuable for a team. Now I'm not saying he gets a 1st or 2nd in return, but I think there will be interest. I could see E for a 4th, Daley for a 5th, Green for a 2nd.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sir Savage the 21st

Ghost of Ethan Hunt

The Official Ghost of Space Ghosts Monkey
Jun 23, 2018
8,733
5,092
Top Secret Moon Base
Re: Daley & E

If healthy & productive (20 pt pace/82gp) = 3rd @ TDL or before

If fairly healthy (misses <10 games) & moderately productive (15pt pace/ 82gp)= 4th @ TDL or before

If 10+ games missed & low production (10pt pace/82 gp)=5th @ TDL or before

If 20+ missed games & low production = 6th

Upto 50% retention negotiable depending on our team needs/injuries/standings/point of season etc.

they'd make an ok #5/6/depth 7th dman) if healthy
 
  • Like
Reactions: kliq

Mister Ed

Registered User
Dec 21, 2008
5,254
968
I'd like to see Helm traded, just to stir up the forwards. Except for Nyquist and Vanek, there wasn't a lot of movement this offseason on the FW front.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sir Savage the 21st

ShelbyZ

Registered User
Apr 8, 2015
3,799
2,561
Re: Daley & E

If healthy & productive (20 pt pace/82gp) = 3rd @ TDL or before

If fairly healthy (misses <10 games) & moderately productive (15pt pace/ 82gp)= 4th @ TDL or before

If 10+ games missed & low production (10pt pace/82 gp)=5th @ TDL or before

If 20+ missed games & low production = 6th

Upto 50% retention negotiable depending on our team needs/injuries/standings/point of season etc.

they'd make an ok #5/6/depth 7th dman) if healthy

It'll be interesting to see what Yzerman does with the D at the deadline. Green, Daley and Ericsson can all move as rentals, but I'd also imagine they want 6 D on the roster after the deadline without having to make someone ineligible for the AHL playoffs or burn one of their 4 post deadline recalls so soon. This probably factors into why the door is still open for Kronwall or why Yzerman is likely to carry 8 for the season.

If all three move, I'll bet they try to get another Bowey-type (IE young D at the NHL level that's still a project) in one of the trades so they get that 6th D and have a warm body in tow if/when they don't have Green, Ericsson, Daley or Kronwall (if he returns) going into 20-21.
 

Gniwder

Registered User
Oct 12, 2009
14,130
7,492
Bellingham, WA
It'll be interesting to see what Yzerman does with the D at the deadline. Green, Daley and Ericsson can all move as rentals, but I'd also imagine they want 6 D on the roster after the deadline without having to make someone ineligible for the AHL playoffs or burn one of their 4 post deadline recalls so soon. This probably factors into why the door is still open for Kronwall or why Yzerman is likely to carry 8 for the season.

If all three move, I'll bet they try to get another Bowey-type (IE young D at the NHL level that's still a project) in one of the trades so they get that 6th D and have a warm body in tow if/when they don't have Green, Ericsson, Daley or Kronwall (if he returns) going into 20-21.
The team has enough warm bodies with Hicketts, Lashoff, and McIlrath. Plus if all three get traded then Cholo, Kaski and Seider (if he's in GR) will get their 9 games (possibly more for Cholo).

The worst thing that can happen is that the team is not eliminated from the playoffs before TDL and Stevie decides not to trade anyone.

Quite frankly, this team isn't going to get much return this year or next year for TDL rentals with the exception of Green, so I'm not sure it matters too much.
 

deca guard

Registered User
Jun 22, 2019
6,167
4,205
www.reddit.com
looking for a contenders d or c prospect : for glenny + our 3rd + we take their bad short term salary

so say they send us a bad 1 year 6 mil contract and a real good d or c that theyre deep in . we get a great prospect . we send glenny at 50% retained and our third . glenny helps them for a several years play off run . the extra cap space helps them add more at deadline . the 3rd helps refresh their pool .
 
  • Like
Reactions: Invictus12

JoesuffP

Registered User
Feb 3, 2016
448
232
Considering there are no injuries this year, I do think there will be interest in E and Daley. I know people love to rip E, but a guy his size being placed on the 3rd pairing or being used as a 7th D could be valuable for a team. Now I'm not saying he gets a 1st or 2nd in return, but I think there will be interest. I could see E for a 4th, Daley for a 5th, Green for a 2nd.
I could see him having a good playoff run with a good team. If he stays healthy of course
 
  • Like
Reactions: kliq

Ghost of Ethan Hunt

The Official Ghost of Space Ghosts Monkey
Jun 23, 2018
8,733
5,092
Top Secret Moon Base
looking for a contenders d or c prospect : for glenny + our 3rd + we take their bad short term salary

so say they send us a bad 1 year 6 mil contract and a real good d or c that theyre deep in . we get a great prospect . we send glenny at 50% retained and our third . glenny helps them for a several years play off run . the extra cap space helps them add more at deadline . the 3rd helps refresh their pool .

LGD is worth at least a mid to late 2nd. Possibly late 1st (Gaustad & others as examples) @ TDL prices.
+our (early) 3rd
+ 50% (retention) which enables acquiring team to get more piece(s)
+ 1 yr. ~ $6M cap dump

there's a lot of value in that package. It'd better be a Veleno/Zadina caliber prospect.
 

Gniwder

Registered User
Oct 12, 2009
14,130
7,492
Bellingham, WA
LGD is worth at least a mid to late 2nd. Possibly late 1st (Gaustad & others as examples) @ TDL prices.
+our (early) 3rd
+ 50% (retention) which enables acquiring team to get more piece(s)
+ 1 yr. ~ $6M cap dump

there's a lot of value in that package. It'd better be a Veleno/Zadina caliber prospect.
You guys can speculate all you want but Chris I and Stevie haven't shown any inclination for taking on salary dumps. If there was an offseason to do it, this would have been the one.

That being said, the only way I see the team taking on a salary dump is if there's a high caliber player or prospect involved, so I think you're right in that respect.
 

deca guard

Registered User
Jun 22, 2019
6,167
4,205
www.reddit.com
Wings don't need another local enforcer, especially another one with substance abuse issues.
wings more so dont need helm . we arent winning nothing this season so what good does helm do ? and helms no future with us that matters . mean while kassian would help defend newbies from the cheap shot artist . i dont want mantha fighting anymore , ecspecially during meaningless seasons when we could carry alot of cops . ide rather move out replace guys like helm-ehn-jdl for cops so that this season rats think twice before they slash a larks or zadina because they know eventually the violence shall come back on them
 

deca guard

Registered User
Jun 22, 2019
6,167
4,205
www.reddit.com
LGD is worth at least a mid to late 2nd. Possibly late 1st (Gaustad & others as examples) @ TDL prices.
+our (early) 3rd
+ 50% (retention) which enables acquiring team to get more piece(s)
+ 1 yr. ~ $6M cap dump

there's a lot of value in that package. It'd better be a Veleno/Zadina caliber prospect.
thats the idea . taking back the cap dump plus retaining so a contender gets a very good payoff to enhance his shot at the cup which shall make it worth it to them to spend a good prospect . mean while this trade has basically zero risk for the wings , its all upside and could become huge upside . these are the types of trades i dream about
 

Henkka

Registered User
Jan 31, 2004
31,078
12,078
Tampere, Finland
What!? Bah, fat chance it's via eklund.

Yeah, it's Eklund with 2% probability to happen. :)

I wouldn't mind the idea, though.

Tampa was rumoured earlier to be after Ristolainen, so maybe Yzerman is heavily after him.

One problem for me in future projections has always been Zadina and Mantha playing the same power-play spot. In big picture, we should trade guys from lefties surplus. If Mantha leaves, it pretty much opens a future main spot for Zadina.

And also, getting few year older RhD (for a winger) with perfect age range vs. Larkin, is at least good idea on theory. This is not stupidity like Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson, much more realistic trade.

I like the idea. And Ristolainen is far better player than current consensus thinks he is.
 
Last edited:

The Zetterberg Era

Ball Hockey Sucks
Nov 8, 2011
40,957
11,577
Ft. Myers, FL
Yeah, it's Eklund with 2% probability to happen. :)

I wouldn't mind the idea, though.

Tampa was rumoured earlier to be after Ristolainen, so maybe Yzerman is heavily after him.

One problem for me in future projections has always been Zadina and Mantha playing the same power-play spot. In big picture, we should trade guys from lefties surplus. If Mantha leaves, it pretty much opens a future main spot for Zadina.

And also, getting few year older RhD (for a winger) with perfect age range vs. Larkin, is at least good idea on theory. This is not stupidity like Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson, much more realistic trade.

I like the idea. And Ristolainen is far better player than current consensus thinks he is.

Okay @Henkka so explain what we do with Hronek, Risto and Seider all playing right side, with two top 40 picks also down the right side and the Finnish MVP signed and a PP specialist on the right side.

I know we spent a long time looking at our right side as a massive weakness and it was, but we have sunk a ton of assets into that position lately. I get that Risto is a proven option, I even like him more than a lot of people. But absent other moves unloading a right sided D-man, this doesn't make sense for us at all in my opinion. I guess Mantha for Risto in a bigger package and Buffalo is pulling the chute early on Mittlestadt or something insane like that could make sense... But this deal makes no sense unless Mantha told Stevie he wants 9 million long-term or something insane.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mantha39

Hockeyfannnn91

Registered User
Jan 26, 2019
1,268
328
Okay @Henkka so explain what we do with Hronek, Risto and Seider all playing right side, with two top 40 picks also down the right side and the Finnish MVP signed and a PP specialist on the right side.

I know we spent a long time looking at our right side as a massive weakness and it was, but we have sunk a ton of assets into that position lately. I get that Risto is a proven option, I even like him more than a lot of people. But absent other moves unloading a right sided D-man, this doesn't make sense for us at all in my opinion. I guess Mantha for Risto in a bigger package and Buffalo is pulling the chute early on Mittlestadt or something insane like that could make sense... But this deal makes no sense unless Mantha told Stevie he wants 9 million long-term or something insane.
Mantha is way ahead of athanasiou , if one has to go it would be AA for me and I’d be targeting a younger dman with upside like a Jake bean , I know he’s on a shit team but ristolainens +/- has been horrendous for years, not just bad

Mantha is a part of the future to go along with Larkin and bertuzzi , if anyone’s gonna be a headache when it’s time to negotiate it’ll be AA , I think we stay the course and be patient hopefully collect our lottery pick and see where we’re at next summer . It’s not adding ristolainen after a summer of filppula/nemeth that’s gonna turn this team around
 

Henkka

Registered User
Jan 31, 2004
31,078
12,078
Tampere, Finland
Okay @Henkka so explain what we do with Hronek, Risto and Seider all playing right side, with two top 40 picks also down the right side and the Finnish MVP signed and a PP specialist on the right side.

Trade some of them for other assets? Lose somebody at expansion draft?

Yzerman did 56 trades as Tampa GM = 7 trades per year.

I could think the trade fest will start at some point at next season.
 

The Zetterberg Era

Ball Hockey Sucks
Nov 8, 2011
40,957
11,577
Ft. Myers, FL
Trade some of them for other assets? Lose somebody at expansion draft?

Yzerman did 56 trades as Tampa GM = 7 trades per year.

I could think the trade fest will start at some point at next season.

I wasn't saying I expect no activity. But after we drafted Seider, surely we feel him and Hronek are our future top 4 on the right. Which one do you propose we are trading away in this scenario? Yzerman going out to get Risto at the cost of Mantha doesn't suggest he would be the guy flipped in my opinion.

Mantha is a protected guy for the expansion draft, if we are trading him a part of the return better be worth protecting in the expansion draft.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Hockeyfannnn91

The Zetterberg Era

Ball Hockey Sucks
Nov 8, 2011
40,957
11,577
Ft. Myers, FL
Mantha is way ahead of athanasiou , if one has to go it would be AA for me and I’d be targeting a younger dman with upside like a Jake bean , I know he’s on a **** team but ristolainens +/- has been horrendous for years, not just bad

Mantha is a part of the future to go along with Larkin and bertuzzi , if anyone’s gonna be a headache when it’s time to negotiate it’ll be AA , I think we stay the course and be patient hopefully collect our lottery pick and see where we’re at next summer . It’s not adding ristolainen after a summer of filppula/nemeth that’s gonna turn this team around

I prefer Mantha for a bunch of reasons. I think AA made a lot of corrections in his game. He is never going to be a guy that uses his teammates extremely well but he is a weapon. I prefer moving him over Mantha, but I don't think we have to move him by any means.I thought his consistency was up last year and if that maintains through the opening of the season he can be a piece moving forward that we lock in.

AA's agent is Zadina's agent. As awful as that is since I think he is the worst guy for teams in the business and that is playing out again with Marner, Ferris has big clients. Kind of like dealing with Boras in baseball, eventually you have to deal with him and cannot just avoid him.
 

Mlotek

Registered User
Feb 28, 2017
921
346
South of US Border
wings more so dont need helm . we arent winning nothing this season so what good does helm do ? and helms no future with us that matters . mean while kassian would help defend newbies from the cheap shot artist . i dont want mantha fighting anymore , ecspecially during meaningless seasons when we could carry alot of cops . ide rather move out replace guys like helm-ehn-jdl for cops so that this season rats think twice before they slash a larks or zadina because they know eventually the violence shall come back on them

Not sure that enforcer deterrent really works.

For example, the Vitkovski fight vs Mantha was actually a receipt for Mantha cheapshotting McKegg during their previous fight. Mantha give McKegg (a downed opponent in a fight) two punches to the face after the fight was over.

Initial incident.

Receipt.


Again when Mantha broke his hand last season (18-19), he was 'sticking up' for Larkin. But wait, why would he need to when Vitkovski is sitting on the bench?

The 'enforcer' deterrent does not work, just look at cheapshot artist Mantha when cross-checking Giroux's head/neck into the boards from behind. When Gudas went after him he just retreated back to the bench.



If you want an enforcer, call up the Undertaker (McIlrath). He will at least provide some entertaining hits.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

-->