Salary Cap: Subban negotiations

[MTL-rules]

8 years @ $9.375M per... (or $75M spread over 8 years) therefore making Subban the most expensive Hab in history.

You don't pay a player that much on his cap hit, no one, not Crosby, not Subban, not Toews, deserves it...

There's a new CBA, you can't front load contracts, he needs to negociate within the new parameters.

Ovechkin has a monstrous and bad contract, yet he's a great player... I don't want Subbidoo to have that kind of label.

8-8,5mil a year MAX.

 

[3low5*]

Do you think it was Bergevin?

Highly doubt Bergevin would disrespect Gorges(or anybody else) like that.

 

[Mathradio]

You don't pay a player that much on his cap hit, no one, not Crosby, not Subban, not Toews, deserves it...

There's a new CBA, you can't front load contracts, he needs to negociate within the new parameters.

Ovechkin has a monstrous and bad contract, yet he's a great player... I don't want Subbidoo to have that kind of label.

8-8,5mil a year MAX.

But even $8.5M per still makes Subban far and away the most expensive Hab in history (ahead of Price @ $6.5M per; Gomez doesn't count as he wasn't signed by the Habs)

And I can't see why the frontier between overpaid or not lies anywhere between $8.5M and $9.375M in Subban's case...

 

[MTL-rules]

But even $8.5M per still makes Subban far and away the most expensive Hab in history (ahead of Price @ $6.5M per; Gomez doesn't count as he wasn't signed by the Habs)

And I can't see why the frontier between overpaid or not lies anywhere between $8.5M and $9.375M in Subban's case...

Because at 8,5, it's already too much in a cap world... it's not from 8,5 to 9,3... it's from 8 to 9,3... when you already have overpaid players, it adds up...

 

[Price is Wright]

Ugh.

Seriously folks.

Stop looking at the cap hit of players and look at the actual salary they get paid.

Shea Weber: $14M
Ryan Suter: $11M
Dion Phaneuf: $8M
Drew Doughty: $7M (will rise to $7.65M)
Duncan Keith: $7.6M
Erik Karlsson: $6.5M (will rise to $7.5M)
Kris Letang: $7.25M
Dan Girardi: $7M

But you refuse to pay Subban more than $8.5M?

 

[Lebowski]

10 years, 80-85M. He's the real deal, DO IT.

If only 10 years contracts were allowed.

 

[K1ng0fthecastl3]

If only 10 years contracts were allowed.

Thankfully they are not

 

[Mathradio]

Maybe... maybe a NTC can lower his cap hit!

Ugh.

Seriously folks.

Stop looking at the cap hit of players and look at the actual salary they get paid.

Shea Weber: $14M
Ryan Suter: $11M
Dion Phaneuf: $8M
Drew Doughty: $7M (will rise to $7.65M)
Duncan Keith: $7.6M
Erik Karlsson: $6.5M (will rise to $7.5M)
Kris Letang: $7.25M
Dan Girardi: $7M

But you refuse to pay Subban more than $8.5M?

The Habs can afford $9.4M in actual salary for the next 8 years... then again how much front-loading is possible?

 

[Mario Lemieux fan 66]

Ugh.

Seriously folks.

Stop looking at the cap hit of players and look at the actual salary they get paid.

Shea Weber: $14M
Ryan Suter: $11M
Dion Phaneuf: $8M
Drew Doughty: $7M (will rise to $7.65M)
Duncan Keith: $7.6M
Erik Karlsson: $6.5M (will rise to $7.5M)
Kris Letang: $7.25M
Dan Girardi: $7M

But you refuse to pay Subban more than $8.5M?

I don't give a **** about the actual salary, only the cap hit matter. If Subban care about the Habs winning the Stanley cup he will accept a cap hit of 8.5 millions or lower. If Subban only care about money he will ask for 9 + millions a year.

 

[TheCanasianfrasian]

Ugh.

Seriously folks.

Stop looking at the cap hit of players and look at the actual salary they get paid.

Shea Weber: $14M
Ryan Suter: $11M
Dion Phaneuf: $8M
Drew Doughty: $7M (will rise to $7.65M)
Duncan Keith: $7.6M
Erik Karlsson: $6.5M (will rise to $7.5M)
Kris Letang: $7.25M
Dan Girardi: $7M

But you refuse to pay Subban more than $8.5M?

Why in the hell would we look at actual salaries instead of caphit?

do you think that Subbans contract would be exactly 8.5M of actualy salary each year? The answer is no. He'll probably earn well over 10M of actual salaray in a contract that would have lets say an 8.5M caphit.

 

[Wats]

I don't know why people just assume Subban is some sort of greedy player that will destroy the Habs salary wise. He took 2.8M bridge contract even though a lot of people knew he was worth more and he was proven 24+min D already. Look at ROR who was never close to accepting the bridge contract offer and signed an offer sheet for example, no one talks about him taking the Avs to the max...

 

[Brainiac]

If i was Bergevin I would text him: 8x8 just to see what he answers...

You don't text for such important matters... And besides, Bergevin probably has to go through Subban's agent for this specific subject.

 

[TheCanasianfrasian]

To be fair, ROR got his contract because Feaster sent him a ridiculous offer sheet. And then Sheehan matched it.

Turns out for the best because he's been great under Roy.

 

[Mathradio]

He may ask for a NTC if so he wanted... and usually NTCs have the effect of lowering the cap hit if asked for beforehand.

 

[Price is Wright]

I don't give a **** about the actual salary, only the cap hit matter. If Subban care about the Habs winning the Stanley cup he will accept a cap hit of 8.5 millions or lower. If Subban only care about money he will ask for 9 + millions a year.

Subban already took less than his market value and then proceeded to win a Norris and be a total beast for us in the playoffs. Now you want him to once again take less than his market value? You think him taking a million more than Dion Phaneuf is some travesty?

The salary matters because you can't circumvent the cap anymore. What those players make right now and not in their cap circumvention years is what Subban's value is compared to in the new CBA. So stop thinking we're gonna get some sweet deal out of him. Especially after only paying him $2.8M for a Norris year.

 

[NativeHockey77*]

Give the most electrifying player in the league a blank check. Not literally but Subban is getting paid and it better be by Montreal please!!!!!!!!!!

If he really wants give him 10 years 10 million per year signing bonus (10 million) for the next 5 years. I don't care what people say he deserves it

2014-15 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2015-16 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2016-17 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2017-18 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2018-19 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2019-20 $10,000,000
2020-21 $10,000,000
2021-22 $10,000,000
2022-23 $10,000,000
2023-24 $10,000,000

 

[Hoople]

Ugh.

Seriously folks.

Stop looking at the cap hit of players and look at the actual salary they get paid.

Shea Weber: $14M
Ryan Suter: $11M
Dion Phaneuf: $8M
Drew Doughty: $7M (will rise to $7.65M)
Duncan Keith: $7.6M
Erik Karlsson: $6.5M (will rise to $7.5M)
Kris Letang: $7.25M
Dan Girardi: $7M

But you refuse to pay Subban more than $8.5M?

Weber is getting richer every year. Is his team succeeding? Could the Preds benefit from a forward making $5 million per year if they didn't overpay Weber?

Suter is getting richer every year and the rest of the Wild players are on the golf course.

Great post by Monctonscout. It is the reality of the Cap world. Preds and Wild are living examples.

 

[Guy Germaine]

next seasons highest paid Dmen...

1.Weber-14
2.Suter-11
3.Phaneuf-8
4.Keith-7.6
5.Letang-7.25
6.Campbell-7.14
7.Doughty-7
8.Chara-7
9.Karlsson-6.5

Subban will round out the top 10, I can see him behind only Weber and Suter. Would love to see him have a cap hit of 7.6

 

[Brainiac]

Give the most electrifying player in the league a blank check. Not literally but Subban is getting paid and it better be by Montreal please!!!!!!!!!!

If he really wants give him 10 years 10 million per year signing bonus (10 million) for the next 5 years. I don't care what people say he deserves it

2014-15 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2015-16 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2016-17 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2017-18 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2018-19 $10,000,000 + $10,000,000
2019-20 $10,000,000
2020-21 $10,000,000
2021-22 $10,000,000
2022-23 $10,000,000
2023-24 $10,000,000

Dude, you're paying Subban 15M a year for 10 years. Not only this is crippling, but it's over both the CBA limits for term (8 years) and money (around 12M, IIRC).

I mean, Subban is good, but he's not that good! 15M gets you 2 superstars, not 1.

 

[Price is Wright]

Subban will round out the top 10, I can see him behind only Weber and Suter. Would love to see him have a cap hit of 7.6

I hope he makes $7.99999999M just to say he's paid less than Phaneuf. That's just selfish me.

 

[TheCanasianfrasian]

next seasons highest paid Dmen...

1.Weber-14
2.Suter-11
3.Phaneuf-8
4.Keith-7.6
5.Letang-7.25
6.Campbell-7.14
7.Doughty-7
8.Chara-7
9.Karlsson-6.5

Subban will round out the top 10, I can see him behind only Weber and Suter. Would love to see him have a cap hit of 7.6

more like 8years 76mil

 

[Big Lurk]

Funny how people sit and look at a number like $8M per and say that's okay but $10M is overpaid and the GM is a moron. When in reality that $2M per year means little in the grand scheme of things and the salary cap could easily fluctuate $2M in any direction for a given season. $2M is what a 4th line grinder fighter or a bottom pairing D gets paid. It really doesn't mean you'll be playing with no one versus playing with a team full of all-stars.

The other reality is that there are too many NHL teams and not enough elite players. So with the cap going up and up and up, the amount of extra, unused cap space each season will be staggering. Just sign PK to whatever is necessary, be happy and stop trying to get a discount.

2 Mil is Weaver and Weise

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I don't give a **** about the actual salary, only the cap hit matter.

Agreed. Plus, salary is irrelevant especially since a lot of contracts listed by the previous poster were under the last CBA with much different rules. Since the last CBA, contract length is regulated as well as front loading.

If Subban care about the Habs winning the Stanley cup he will accept a cap hit of 8.5 millions or lower. If Subban only care about money he will ask for 9 + millions a year.

That's completely 100% asinine thinking. Nothing of what you just said makes any sense whatsoever.

So a player should accept less than what his agent can get him to help the team? We don't live in communist Russia. Don't force your values on others.

Not to mention that... your way of thinking could possible be acceptable if the team hadn't went out of its way to lowball Subban into a holdout while insisting on a bridge deal.

But that ship sailed a long time ago. Subban is fully entitled to ask for 100% market value and has absolutely no reason to give a pass to MB because that is the way that MB decided things were going to go. He lowballed Subban into a holdout and said that the rules were that RFA had to go through a bridge deal to get their full worth after RFA. That goes against the current market trend set by all other teams. That's fine if MB wants to do this but now HE must accept the consequences of that decision. It's certainly in no possible, imaginable way on Subban to accept less than 100% full market value. You have a very short memory.

 

[Price is Wright]

2 Mil is Weaver and Weise

Weaver should be getting $2M from a team needing a defensive defenceman.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Does that GM believe in bridge deals to superstar talents?