Strange trophy voting through NHL history

[GlitchMarner]

Chris Simon received a third place vote for the Hart back in 99/00. Made me burst out laghing.

LOL.

But he scored 29 goals like Hoglund is his amazing peak season!

 

[Megahab]

I think it was Pavel Bure that won the Calder in 1991 but didn't make it to the all-rookie team.

Jamie Storr made the all-rookie team two years in a row.

 

[JackSlater]

surprised it wasnt mentioned already, but Ovechkin in 2012-13.

pretty bad that the writers voted him 1st team RW and 2nd team LW

I'm annoyed that the NHL decided to allow that result to be made official. I consider Hall to have been the second team LW that year.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i consider bertuzzi the 2002 second team all-star RW

All-Star Team

Place	Player	Age	Tm	Pos	Votes	Vote%	1st	2nd	3rd	G	A	PTS	+/-
1	Markus Naslund	28	VAN	LW	236	78.67	45	3	2	40	50	90	22
2	Brendan Shanahan	33	DET	LW	160	53.33	9	34	13	37	38	75	23
3	Todd Bertuzzi	26	VAN	LW	81	27.00	4	16	13	36	49	85	21
4	Keith Tkachuk	29	STL	LW	26	8.67	0	3	17	38	37	75	21
5	Eric Daze	26	CHI	LW	13	4.33	1	0	8	38	32	70	17
Place	Player	Age	Tm	Pos	Votes	Vote%	1st	2nd	3rd	G	A	PTS	+/-
1	Jarome Iginla	24	CGY	RW	300	100.00	60	0	0	52	44	96	27
2	Bill Guerin	31	BOS	RW	44	14.67	0	12	8	41	25	66	-1
3	Glen Murray	29	TOT	RW	35	11.67	0	9	8	41	30	71	31
4	Pavol Demitra	27	STL	RW	31	10.33	0	9	4	35	43	78	13
5	Jaromir Jagr	29	WSH	RW	29	9.67	0	6	11	31	48	79	0
6	Todd Bertuzzi	26	VAN	RW	27	9.00	0	9	0	36	49	85	21

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[Michael Farkas]

That was the prime WCE time, right? Naslund-BMo-Bert, right? Wasn't that the best line in the league that year...? I didn't realize they weren't even close...

 

[quoipourquoi]

That Bertuzzi one is brutal. The following year, it looks like Markus Naslund missed out on unanimous selection on LW because someone had Bertuzzi at #1 on LW and Naslund at #1 on RW.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

That was the prime WCE time, right? Naslund-BMo-Bert, right? Wasn't that the best line in the league that year...? I didn't realize they weren't even close...

That Bertuzzi one is brutal. The following year, it looks like Markus Naslund missed out on unanimous selection on LW because someone had Bertuzzi at #1 on LW and Naslund at #1 on RW.

another case where it's obvious the voters did not watch the best line in hockey (see my post upthread, re: burrows).

bertuzzi was the best player in the league in the second of half of that season. starting jan 1, bertuzzi led the league in scoring by a mile (7 points ahead of naslund in 2nd, 9 points ahead of kovalev in 3rd, 11 points ahead of iginla in 4th). he was far and away the best player in hockey after the new year.

that 60 points in 40 games after dec 31 was easily more than iginla, or anyone else, had in either half of the season.

overall, bert finished 3rd in the league in scoring and led the league in points/game.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

i consider bertuzzi the 2002 second team all-star RW

This is a great find. Bad luck for Bertuzzi - if only the voters knew what position he played. He was somewhat aided by Iginla getting a (very rare) unanimous selection, leaving everyone else to fight over the 2nd and 3rd place votes, combined with the fact that it was a fractured field (lots of very good seasons from other RWs, but no great ones).

 

[tony d]

Always fun to look at the Selke voting and to see some of the many different names who get voted for the award.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

This is a great find. Bad luck for Bertuzzi - if only the voters knew what position he played. He was somewhat aided by Iginla getting a (very rare) unanimous selection, leaving everyone else to fight over the 2nd and 3rd place votes, combined with the fact that it was a fractured field (lots of very good seasons from other RWs, but no great ones).

am i being a homer if i say that bertuzzi would have come pretty close to a unanimous 2nd team selection if everyone knew he was a RW? or would 10 PM EST starts and two guys in boston having career years and scoring 40 goals too much to overcome for some voters?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Bobby Orr's 1968 Norris trophy win was NOT based on the best season by a defenseman. He missed HALF the season and didn't put up gaudy numbers the other half. He won based on buzz and hype and potential, NOT ON PERFORMANCE (other than a few highlight rushes that whetted appetites). It was a travesty. The other great defensemen that season were ignored. I broke down the voting and candidates before, but am on my new smartphone and unable to access it easily.

Petty sure that's when voting was done for each half of the season. Orr had a huge lead after the first-half voting and subsequently won. Orr also came in 4th for Hart Trophy based on his first half.

Orr played only 46 of the 74 game season.

11 goals 20 assists 31 points +28

The other candidates were:

JC Tremblay - 4 goals 26 assists 30 points +29 in 73 games
Tim Horton - 4 goals 23 assists 27 points +20 in 69 games
Jim Neilson - 6 goals 29 assists 35 points +27 in 67 games
Jacques Laperriere - 4 goals 21 assists 25 points +23 in 72 games

Pierre Pilote had 37 points (only one goal) but was -10 in 74 games and garnered no votes.

Yes, it was based on performance and no, it was not a travesty.

 

[The Panther]

In 1985, Brian Sutter got a first place vote for the Hart trophy. Yes, he was a good player and had a good year, but how was he possibly more valuable than Gretzky (who scored 208 points and led his team by 73 points?)

Wow, that is wonky. Not only did Sutter score 134 fewer points than Gretzky and finish -88 behind Gretzky, he was third on his own team in scoring and fourth on his team in plus/minus.

I mention the plus/minus because I'm assuming whoever voted for him was looking at him as a two-way winger... which he was, but statistically he looks like a player who'd barely earn a Selke nomination, let alone a 1st-place Hart vote.

Is it possible some idiot (probably Stan Fischler, who'd do anything to avoid voting for Gretzky) confused him with his brother Brent, who scored 102 points and was +42 that year?


Boggles the mind...

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Nah, say what you will about Fischler, but that wasn't a mistake he would've made as he covered the Islanders.

 

[Brodeur]

Handful of my favorites:

2006-07 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

Thomas Vanek finished 14th for Selke in 2006-07, presumably getting his votes from lazy writers who assumed his +47 meant he was great defensively. Nevermind that Buffalo didn't use him on the PK and I distinctly recall Vanek being benched late in the playoff games when Buffalo was protecting a lead.

2009-10 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

Similarly, somebody gave Jeff Schultz a 4th place Norris vote since he led the league with a +50 in 2009-10.

2006-07 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

Somebody gave Jeff Harding a 5th place Calder vote in what was a stacked rookie class which featured Malkin, Stastny, Kopitar, J.Staal, among others.

Harding had 4 starts that season and appeared in 7 games. And unless I'm mistaken, I think he played in so few games that he was eligible for Calder the following season.

 

[blood gin]

Scott Niedermayer was top 35 in Selke voting... three times.

Well I bet he played several games at forward those years so maybe that was enough to qualify? Still what an odd thing.

Was Rob every known as a good defensive forward?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Well I bet he played several games at forward those years so maybe that was enough to qualify? Still what an odd thing.

Was Rob every known as a good defensive forward?

When did Scott play forward?

Rob was a defensive specialist. Those votes clearly were meant for Rob, I think.

 

[blood gin]

When did Scott play forward?

Rob was a defensive specialist. Those votes clearly were meant for Rob, I think.

There were definitely games when Niedermayer was dressed as forward. Or jumped back and forth during the game. But very few games. Like 1-2 a year

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

There were definitely games when Niedermayer was dressed as forward. Or jumped back and forth during the game. But very few games. Like 1-2 a year

Only really early in his career though, right? I know he occasionally played forward in 1995 and earlier, but don't recall him doing so after he became Daneyko's full time partner.

Or did he do so in Anaheim too?

 

[blood gin]

Only really early in his career though, right? I know he occasionally played forward in 1995 and earlier, but don't recall him doing so after he became Daneyko's full time partner.

Or did he do so in Anaheim too?

Not sure about Anaheim but I do recall Robinson and Constantine doing it here and Burns definitely did it once as I was at that game.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I don't ever recall that, that must have been way, way back...definitely not in Anaheim...

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Now that I think more about it, it did happen here and there - I think when the team was down forwards due to injury.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Not sure about Anaheim but I do recall Robinson and Constantine doing it here and Burns definitely did it once as I was at that game.

Coaches with a Canadiens background.

Started by Blake using defencemen as forwards at times for specific reasons, adapted by Bowman.

 

[blood gin]

Coaches with a Canadiens background.

Started by Blake using defencemen as forwards at times for specific reasons, adapted by Bowman.

Yep no surprise there. In building the Devils to excellence Lou absolutely had something of a Montreal to NJ pipeline. Players, coaches, scouts, organizational philosophies etc. He used them as an example of what he wanted the post 1987 Devils to look like

 

[blood gin]

Coaches with a Canadiens background.

Started by Blake using defencemen as forwards at times for specific reasons, adapted by Bowman.

fwiw Constantine was drafted by the Habs

 

[Plural]

It baffles me how lightly voters take the voting. Considering it's potentially millions of dollars worth of money going one way depending on their votes. I often get the feeling that some voters simply scroll down nhl.com stats and throw their votes in.