Injury Report: Stephen Weiss

[odin1981]

Sucks that once he starts to show he is getting it going he goes down with an injury. Hope it is not for too long. He was our resident train wrecker on faceoffs for like the past 5-7 games. Sadly because of that cleary was getting a bunch of ice time. But to me he was finally turning the corner .

 

[detredWINgs]

Uh oh, does this mean 1st unit PP time and 18 minutes a night now? I'm concerned.

God I hope not.

What Babcock really said was: Cleary has three points, or as Babcock put it, "not enough. So we need to get him some more time on the powerplay to really get him going. Maybe try him out on the big line with Hank and Pavs."

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

If we want Cleary out the door, this is the way. It's good that even Babcock realizes he's been bad.

If he sucks ass this year (and he certainly has so far), there's a decent chance they won't re-sign him.

 

[Vladdy84]

If we want Cleary out the door, this is the way. It's good that even Babcock realizes he's been bad.

If he sucks ass this year (and he certainly has so far), there's a decent chance they won't re-sign him.

That's what we thought last year....

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

That's what we thought last year....

What's crazy is his point totals are even WORSE. He's on pace for under 15 points this year. That's just shockingly bad for a player who gets as much icetime as he does.

 

[Vladdy84]

What's crazy is his point totals are even WORSE. He's on pace for under 15 points this year. That's just shockingly bad for a player who gets as much icetime as he does.

What's crazy is even as the #1 Cleary hater in the universe. I think he's already had more decent games than he did all of last regular season.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

What's crazy is even as the #1 Cleary hater in the universe. I think he's already had more decent games than he did all of last regular season.

Lol I agree. I don't know if I'd say he's been better this year, but he's been less noticeable in a good way. Meaning he's not carrying the puck into the offensive zone every shift and turning it over. Now he's just pretty much skating and forechecking, hoping to force turnovers and win a puck battle. But still, like Babcock said it hasn't been enough to earn 2nd line minutes.

 

[Vladdy84]

Lol I agree. I don't know if I'd say he's been better this year, but he's been less noticeable in a good way. Meaning he's not carrying the puck into the offensive zone every shift and turning it over. Now he's just pretty much skating and forechecking, hoping to force turnovers and win a puck battle. But still, like Babcock said it hasn't been enough to earn 2nd line minutes.

It's early. Hopefully Babcock wises up and puts him on the 4th line. I can live with that.

 

[FlashyG]

It's early. Hopefully Babcock wises up and puts him on the 4th line. I can live with that.

Thats where I'm at with Cleary.

He does enough good things defensively and has stated to know his limitations offensively.

If we could get him off the Powerplay and on the 4th line where he belongs I don't have much of a problem with him.

I'm at the same point with Sammy. He's not terrible as a bottom 6 guy, but he has no business on the PP.

I'd much rather Nyquist than either one of them though

 

[Vladdy84]

Thats where I'm at with Cleary.

He does enough good things defensively and has stated to know his limitations offensively.

If we could get him off the Powerplay and on the 4th line where he belongs I don't have much of a problem with him.

I'm at the same point with Sammy. He's not terrible as a bottom 6 guy, but he has no business on the PP.

I'd much rather Nyquist than either one of them though

I'm trying to be reasonable here. But I've failed to see what things he does defensively that any other player can't do. Every once in awhile, Dan Cleary back checks hard and he does give it his all out there. At the same time in the offensive zone he turns the puck over or loses a battle in a corner. If he was on the 4th line playing just 8 minutes a night, OK, cool. However, he's playing the PK and on the ice during critical moments. Other players on this team that are faster can fill that role.

 

[Henkka]

If they aren't playing Helm because of the coming off injury, I would play either Glendening or Abdelkader in that center spot before Andersson. We are very familiar with the guy that is going to be the #2C. I guess with last change we can mess with that, but giving Filppula a matchup against a slow guy is pretty much the last thing I would do.

Match Helm-line against Filppula and Tatar-Andersson-(Alfie) playes against Tyler Johnson, like they did at those AHL-finals. Andersson can shut that midget down.

Datsyuk shuts down Stamkos. 4th lines meet each other.

There's our game plan.

 

[FlashyG]

I'm trying to be reasonable here. But I've failed to see what things he does defensively that any other player can't do. Every once in awhile, Dan Cleary back checks hard and he does give it his all out there. At the same time in the offensive zone he turns the puck over or loses a battle in a corner. If he was on the 4th line playing just 8 minutes a night, OK, cool. However, he's playing the PK and on the ice during critical moments. Other players on this team that are faster can fill that role.

Like I said he's started to know his limitations offensively...he still turns the puck over from time to time, but far less than last season.

As far as his defensive effort its the one and only area I think he's still useful. He's rarely out of position defensively and has been one of the better penalty killers on the team. He's only been on for 1 PP goal against all season.

I will concede though that I don't want him on the ice in critical situations even if he's playing fine defensively...I'd much rather Datsyuk and Zetterberg be out there when the game is on the line.

 

[Henkka]

As far as his defensive effort its the one and only area I think he's still useful. He's rarely out of position defensively and has been one of the better penalty killers on the team. He's only been on for 1 PP goal against all season.

I hope we'll see this kind of lines at the playoffs:

Zeta - Dats - Bert
Mule - Weiss - Nyquist
Tatar - Andy - Alfie
AKader - Helm - Miller/Cleary
(Sammy)

 

[sully6one]

I hope we'll see this kind of lines at the playoffs:

Zeta - Dats - Bert
Mule - Weiss - Nyquist
Tatar - Andy - Alfie
AKader - Helm - Miller/Cleary
(Sammy)

Or even switch Bertuzzi and Alfredsson. Either works for me though.

 

[Flowah]

Uh oh, does this mean 1st unit PP time and 18 minutes a night now? I'm concerned.

Yeah, what Babs meant by "not enough" is "not enough opportunity for him to be the beast that we know he is."

 

[SoupNazi]

Or even switch Bertuzzi and Alfredsson. Either works for me though.

I am liking the chemistry Bert has with the Euro twins right now. It's realgud.

 

[Henkka]

I am liking the chemistry Bert has with the Euro twins right now. It's realgud.

Yeah, Bertuzzi has become the new(old) Homer.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Weiss with only 10 minutes tonight(Granted, Cleary had even less ) Weiss hasn't been amazing, but centering Cleary and Samuelsson isn't going to get him going, smh.

 

[ProPAIN]

Weiss with only 10 minutes tonight(Granted, Cleary had even less ) Weiss hasn't been amazing, but centering Cleary and Samuelsson isn't going to get him going, smh.

The other three lines are clicking, so until Datsyuk and Bert come back or they **** the bed midway through a game, it's going to stay that way.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Weiss with only 10 minutes tonight(Granted, Cleary had even less ) Weiss hasn't been amazing, but centering Cleary and Samuelsson isn't going to get him going, smh.

Based on his numbers this season, Weiss is playing where he belongs - on the 4th line with those two scrubs.

 

[SimplySolace]

Say he finishes the season with 30~ points. Does he get bought out? Roll the dice on Grabovski?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Say he finishes the season with 30~ points. Does he get bought out? Roll the dice on Grabovski?

You cannot use a compliance buyout on Weiss and a regular buyout would be a disaster, so no that is extremely unlikely.

 

[detredWINgs]

Say he finishes the season with 30~ points. Does he get bought out? Roll the dice on Grabovski?

Honestly? If they can sign someone (Grabo, Stastny, even Bolland) before buying him out (forgetting how the cap works in that respect), then I would. Weiss has 9 points in his last 44 NHL games. I'm worried he's going the way of Jokinen/Booth instead of Horton.

You cannot use a compliance buyout on Weiss and a regular buyout would be a disaster, so no that is extremely unlikely.

Just as I was fantasizing...

 

[joe89]

Weiss with only 10 minutes tonight(Granted, Cleary had even less ) Weiss hasn't been amazing, but centering Cleary and Samuelsson isn't going to get him going, smh.

Putting dollars aside, and some injury struggles, A Weiss-Samuelsson combo should be able to hold up a NHL 3rd line IMO, but even more so a respectable 4th line.

 

[BSHH]

Putting dollars aside, and some injury struggles, A Weiss-Samuelsson combo should be able to hold up a NHL 3rd line IMO, but even more so a respectable 4th line.

Both were quite decent 18 months ago with the Panthers. It cannot be completely gone, although Cleary as third partner does not help either case at all...

Gruß,
BSHH