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Natey

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Has anyone here played XCOM 2: War of the Chosen? I’m looking at picking it up while it’s on sale, but I haven’t made it through XCOM 2 original yet. I did really like the first XCOM, though, if that counts for anything.
It's basically a brand new game. You have to start over to play War of the Chosen though, but its' well worth it.
 

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I would recommend doing one full campaign of XCOM2 Vanilla before playing War of the Chosen... but, that's only because of how much more appreciative it will make you of War of the Chosen(and Vanilla was pretty good).

So go ahead and do what you want. ;)
 

Papa Francouz

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It's basically a brand new game. You have to start over to play War of the Chosen though, but its' well worth it.

I would recommend doing one full campaign of XCOM2 Vanilla before playing War of the Chosen... but, that's only because of how much more appreciative it will make you of War of the Chosen(and Vanilla was pretty good).

So go ahead and do what you want. ;)

Well, consider me sold, haha. I’ll probably buy it now but play it later, preferably after fully running through XCOM 2’s campaign at least once.
 
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Apparently the PC port of Yakuza 0 came out today or yesterday and it seems to be quite the rage. Getting very popular reviews right now.

Tempted to dive in.
 

Commander Clueless

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I downloaded Yakuza last night. Pre-ordered it earlier for the ~$5 off cuz I'm a cheap bastard.

Once I finish up Hero-U and P4G, Yakuza will be next on the chopping block. I'm excited to finally give it a whirl.


Really blows balls that it has Denuvo but I do like it for the PS4. Great game.

Gah, I really wish they would give Denuvo a rest already. I understand wanting to protect your digital rights and stuff, but Denuvo can really kick you in the pants performance-wise....particularly on an older system.

...plus they seem to crack it extremely quickly these days...
 

SniperHF

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Gah, I really wish they would give Denuvo a rest already.

I won't buy them. Prey for example.

Bethesda games seem to make their way to GOG eventually so I'll just be here waiting.

It's weird though they removed it from Doom but don't seem to be bothering for Prey. Publishers always say it's really only important for the launch window. Yet most of the time they don't bother removing the stuff later. It's almost as if they don't believe that.
 
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Commander Clueless

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Honestly, the only thing keeping me away from using GoG more often is the fact that the majority of my games are on Steam, and I'm a bit OCD about that for some reason. Also because almost nobody I know uses GoG.

DRM sucks. I mean I get the purpose behind it, but in practice it sucks.
 

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Honestly, the only thing keeping me away from using GoG more often is the fact that the majority of my games are on Steam, and I'm a bit OCD about that for some reason. Also because almost nobody I know uses GoG.

DRM sucks. I mean I get the purpose behind it, but in practice it sucks.

Same. I like GOG and I wish more was on it, but you know. Also, I do like that, at least they did this for the Witcher games, if you enter your Steam code with GOG, they will give you a free GOG copy as well.
 
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Matias Maccete

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Extra layers of DRM are really annoying, Steam's standard DRM policy should be good enough. You never stop the pirates from cracking it, and anything too invasive just pisses off paying customers. I haven't actually noticed any ill effects from denuvo fortunately, but it still annoys me that it exists in the first place.
 

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Denuvo is basically the new form of Starforce, but I don't know if anyone remembers, but somehow that DRM was way shittier than most others I've ever seen.
 

Matias Maccete

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Denuvo is basically the new form of Starforce, but I don't know if anyone remembers, but somehow that DRM was way ****tier than most others I've ever seen.
Wasn't Starforce potentially system breaking? From what I've heard in the past there's just some claims that it affects hard drives.
 

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Wasn't Starforce potentially system breaking? From what I've heard in the past there's just some claims that it affects hard drives.

Yep, it would. Even if it didn't do that, it would sometimes think you don't have a valid game code even if you purchased the game legally. It was a f***ing nightmare. What a piece of f***ing shit. Also, I think it was generally along the lines of something like malware on people's computers?
 

Do Make Say Think

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Endless Space 2 is 66% off.

It is one of the better 4X in space games. The music is very, very good on top of everything.
 

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Yep, it would. Even if it didn't do that, it would sometimes think you don't have a valid game code even if you purchased the game legally. It was a ****ing nightmare. What a piece of ****ing ****. Also, I think it was generally along the lines of something like malware on people's computers?

I bought Risen 1 on DVD when it came out. It had Securom and it was so borked that I actually had to do a *DVD* drive firmware *DOWNGRADE* to get it to work.
I know some stuff about some tech stuff and I didn't know such a thing as downloadable firmware updates for optical drives was a thing :laugh:
 

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I bought Risen 1 on DVD when it came out. It had Securom and it was so borked that I actually had to do a *DVD* drive firmware *DOWNGRADE* to get it to work.
I know some stuff about some tech stuff and I didn't know such a thing as downloadable firmware updates for optical drives was a thing :laugh:
Sad thing is... I did know that :laugh: When you rip a lot of DVD's and blu-rays, it's really annoying to have drives with riplock (a "feature" that slows down your drives - supposedly to control noise, but there's also the thought that it's to make piracy more of a pain too). Unfortunately, there's no getting rid of riplock on my drives!
 

Matias Maccete

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What does Denuvo do that is comparable to Starforce? I've seen lots of complaints about it, and am annoyed by it's existence in principle, but haven't seen much of what it actually hurts outside of vague, unconfirmed reports of hard drive problems.
 
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I downloaded Yakuza last night. Pre-ordered it earlier for the ~$5 off cuz I'm a cheap bastard.

Once I finish up Hero-U and P4G, Yakuza will be next on the chopping block. I'm excited to finally give it a whirl.




Gah, I really wish they would give Denuvo a rest already. I understand wanting to protect your digital rights and stuff, but Denuvo can really kick you in the pants performance-wise....particularly on an older system.

...plus they seem to crack it extremely quickly these days...

Biggest problem with Yakuza right now is the launch bug. Basically it crashes back to desktop after launch. Eventually after trying to run it like 20 times it might launch successfully...but this is a well known bug.

Nearly at the end of Chapter 1...that fight is absolutely crazy and very difficult.
 

Commander Clueless

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What does Denuvo do that is comparable to Starforce? I've seen lots of complaints about it, and am annoyed by it's existence in principle, but haven't seen much of what it actually hurts outside of vague, unconfirmed reports of hard drive problems.

From what I understand, there are also complaints about performance hits due to Denuvo's tendency to be a little on the extreme side.

As an example:

Denuvo DRM gets the elbow from Grey Box's RiME

Biggest problem with Yakuza right now is the launch bug. Basically it crashes back to desktop after launch. Eventually after trying to run it like 20 times it might launch successfully...but this is a well known bug.

Nearly at the end of Chapter 1...that fight is absolutely crazy and very difficult.

Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a chance to give it a try. I do see very mixed reviews on the bugs, though...with some claiming it runs perfectly and others describing similar issues to the one you mentioned.
 
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From what I understand, there are also complaints about rather performance hits due to Denuvo's tendency to be a little on the extreme side.

As an example:

Denuvo DRM gets the elbow from Grey Box's RiME



Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a chance to give it a try. I do see very mixed reviews on the bugs, though...with some claiming it runs perfectly and others describing similar issues to the one you mentioned.

Yup. Hopefully they fix it...it seemed more stable last night which is good. Apparently closing steam and restarting steam helps
 

Matias Maccete

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From what I understand, there are also complaints about performance hits due to Denuvo's tendency to be a little on the extreme side.

As an example:

Denuvo DRM gets the elbow from Grey Box's RiME



Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a chance to give it a try. I do see very mixed reviews on the bugs, though...with some claiming it runs perfectly and others describing similar issues to the one you mentioned.
Interesting thanks for the link, sounds like performance issues are dependent on how strict Denuvo is set to be.
 

Commander Clueless

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Interesting thanks for the link, sounds like performance issues are dependent on how strict Denuvo is set to be.

It can make a big difference for sure.

I think a lot of the annoyance comes from any performance hit as you have Denuvo on top of Steam's own built in DRM. Then you add in the fact that it's normally cracked within a week or two....

I've read that many developers claim it is only to protect against piracy at launch, which is a fair goal...however, Denuvo tends to stick around far longer than that, making it both annoying and useless at that point.
 

Matias Maccete

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It can make a big difference for sure.

I think a lot of the annoyance comes from any performance hit as you have Denuvo on top of Steam's own built in DRM. Then you add in the fact that it's normally cracked within a week or two....

I've read that many developers claim it is only to protect against piracy at launch, which is a fair goal...however, Denuvo tends to stick around far longer than that, making it both annoying and useless at that point.
It just seems to accomplish very little. Steam's DRM is reasonable, I'd like if all games just stuck to that.
 

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