Hello HF, this is a subject I've been hesitant to bring up due to possible lack of interest but I'll give it a go. I am a numbers guy, I can really only think in numbers. I've recently gotten into hockey analytics and I find it absolutely fascinating albeit a budding area of study. That being said, I believe stats can be a better indicator of a player's abilities than even the well trained eye and at the very least a worthwhile supplement or alternative to viewing a player. Consider this: do you really see everything when you watch a game? What about on TV? Do you see all the plays away from the puck or contributions at the start of a shift that lead to a goal 30 seconds later? I'm not saying statistics capture all of this but they do give you an unbiased, quantitative look at a player based on results under the assumption that good results are generated by good play. No home team bias or hating on a rival player. If used properly, they can give you a nearly complete picture of player's value, beyond what we can see with our eyes. Some stats to make my case: GVT by Tom Awad, hosted on behindthenet. http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=233 http://www.behindthenet.ca/2010/gvt.php?sort=14&mingp=10&team=ALL&pos=ALL This stat is split into various parts and the derivation is beyond complex. It works like VORP in baseball and gauges a player's impact beyond a threshold (borderline) player. It uses points, TOI, team scoring, Sv%, a modified (better) plus/minus and does the best attempt at defensive quantification I've ever seen. It also factors in total team contributions to defense rather than isolating it. Check out the list on behindthenet and I'm sure the rank order would be similar to an expert consensus. The only thing missing from GVT is who you play with and against. Something behindthenet attempts to quantify with QualComp and QualTeam http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...0_s&f2=5v5&f7=10-&c=0+1+3+5+11+12+13+14+15+16 It looks at CORSI (developed by Sabre's goaltending coach Jim Corsi) which does a +/- based on shots allowed and taken while on the ice instead of goals. It's proven to be a solid approach. What behindthenet does is take a look at who a player plays with and against and factors in CORSI (or other stats) to quantify who plays against harder opposition with how much help. It's does quite a good job to add context to any stats. For example, Lidstrom is #3 in GVT for defensemen but has the highest CORSI Rel QualComp in the league with below average CORSI Rel QualTeam. Compare to Byfuglein (#2 dman in GVT) who has a lot of help and faces average competition. Together, I think these three stats, GVT + CORSI Rel QoC + CORSI Rel QoT form a very informed picture without watching a game. What is your take?