Play Ball! After months of idiocy, schedule is in place & camps open July 1st

[CHRDANHUTCH]

It will be massive to the sport that is first to come back

it isn't the 1st sport to come back

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

it isn't the 1st sport to come back

Im glad reading comprehension hasnt deteriorated during shelter in place....

 

[KevFu]

Snell articulated things poorly, but he's totally right.

The players agreed to the pro-rated salary for games actually played for 2020, and $170 million total to MLBPA if no games.

Now the owners are saying "Work under quarantine so you can't see your family" (aka Overtime) OR "play during a global pandemic which could mean risking your life like an essential worker" (aka Hazard Pay.... AND Take a pay cut. OT and Hazard pay are more money, not less.

MLB Owners want the players to share the burden of revenue losses in 2020, but the owners made $1.5 billion last year, and didn't send MLBPA a check on the profits. Why share the burden of losses, but not the splendor of profits?

MLB owners made $1.5 billion in profits in 2019. They'll take a loss in 2020 no matter what. But they'll make it all back by year three of fans-in-stands baseball on the other side.

It's easy to hear Snell and think "Wow, he sounds like a D Bag." Because he kind of does. But no one looks at from the standpoint of the Rays owner (who was DMFL in attendance/ticket revenue, but 8th in profit margin!) is haggling over $95,000 to Tyler Glasnow when his net worth is $880 million and his franchise is worth $1.05 billion.

 

[StreetHawk]

Snell articulated things poorly, but he's totally right.

The players agreed to the pro-rated salary for games actually played for 2020, and $170 million total to MLBPA if no games.

Now the owners are saying "Work under quarantine so you can't see your family" (aka Overtime) OR "play during a global pandemic which could mean risking your life like an essential worker" (aka Hazard Pay.... AND Take a pay cut. OT and Hazard pay are more money, not less.

MLB Owners want the players to share the burden of revenue losses in 2020, but the owners made $1.5 billion last year, and didn't send MLBPA a check on the profits. Why share the burden of losses, but not the splendor of profits?

MLB owners made $1.5 billion in profits in 2019. They'll take a loss in 2020 no matter what. But they'll make it all back by year three of fans-in-stands baseball on the other side.

It's easy to hear Snell and think "Wow, he sounds like a D Bag." Because he kind of does. But no one looks at from the standpoint of the Rays owner (who was DMFL in attendance/ticket revenue, but 8th in profit margin!) is haggling over $95,000 to Tyler Glasnow when his net worth is $880 million and his franchise is worth $1.05 billion.

Snell comes off sounding bad simply for his tone and the way he speaks.

understand his point up to a point. A reduced season would mean prorated salary. But He wants his full amount regardless of the number of games. He loses support there.

But I agree that players should not have to share in the losses. That is a cba contract negotiation, like in the nhl,nba, nfl.

but the owners are going to crunch the numbers and if they see that it makes more sense to not play vs play in empty stadiums.

and what is the damage to the game if they have to cancel the season.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

The staredown continues:

Coming off a season of record revenues, the league forecast a grim economic picture even before the pandemic struck, initially projecting a net cash loss of $95 million in 2020. Another section of the document says team debt will increase from $5.2 billion in 2019 to $7.3 billion, stating, “the inability of most clubs to comply with the debt service rule shows the magnitude of the financial distress caused by the crisis.”

The union wants proof and explanation of a number of the league’s claims. One agent, mentioning the debt projections in the context of the Royals’ recent purchase, asks, “People are spending $1 billion to get into an industry that is collapsing?”

The league’s financial presentation also says that in an 82-game season without fans, teams would lose an additional $1 billion in local revenues if they actually play games than if they don’t. Without games, they would lose $3.41 billion, but playing games would actually increase the loss to $4.41 billion due to player costs.

But the union could point out that, by the league’s own numbers, the league’s central revenues still appear to make playing worthwhile. In the document, MLB estimates its central revenues would be $1.345 billion if games are played. (What may not be accounted for in that argument is that the league’s costs without games would dip.)

The baseball players and owners compromised on economics in March. If a revenue split is out, the question is how to start the conversation again.

It’s negotiating Catch-22: The league will not make a proposal until the union says it is willing to talk. The union will not talk until it receives a proposal and proof of financial distress.

At some point, something must give.

 

[John Price]

 

[spintheblackcircle]

This sounds like a problem, the A's don't have $1 million available?

Report: Oakland A's refuse to make $1.2 million Coliseum rent payment

The Oakland A's have reportedly refused to make a $1.2 million rent payment for use of the Coliseum, citing the team's inability to use the facility to generate revenue.

“They said because they haven’t used it, they were not able to generate revenue and they have no ability to pay,” Henry Gardner, the Coliseum Authority interim executive director, told the Mercury News.

 

[Miguel Cairo]

This sounds like a problem, the A's don't have $1 million available?

Report: Oakland A's refuse to make $1.2 million Coliseum rent payment

The Oakland A's have reportedly refused to make a $1.2 million rent payment for use of the Coliseum, citing the team's inability to use the facility to generate revenue.

“They said because they haven’t used it, they were not able to generate revenue and they have no ability to pay,” Henry Gardner, the Coliseum Authority interim executive director, told the Mercury News.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

A's asked to defer payment back in March for when they can actually use the stadium. Don't see anything unfair with that.

 

[Static]

Arte Moreno is just the worst. I can't stand him.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Update:

Major League Baseball will not propose a full revenue-sharing system to determine player salaries for the 2020 season, people with knowledge of the league’s thinking told The Athletic. In a scheduled meeting with the Players Association on Tuesday, the league plans to offer an alternative proposal, leaving the union with a potential choice: to hold the league to the prorated salaries the two sides negotiated in March, or accommodate the owners’ desire for a second, possibly percentage-based cut in some other fashion.

To this point, the union has been adamant it will not accept further pay reductions. The players, however, have internally discussed the possibility of deferrals to address the owners’ cash-flow problem, a source with knowledge of the discussions said.

 

[John Price]

 

[Terry Yake]

can manfred be removed as commish? my god, he's set out on absolutely ruining baseball since he took over

 

[Deen]

I am ready for some Baseball.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

How great is Vin Scully?

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah that's weasely...the owners are clearly trying to pit player against player here, which the baseball union will never go for and it'll only make both the owners and the highest-paid players look bad publicly.

 

[John Price]

 

[SJSharksfan39]

So is this going to be one of those situations where everything looks dire and then at the 11th hour a miracle happens and everything is negotiated? That's how I felt the last NHL Lockout ended. Everything was looking so bad and then they worked through the night and for some reason everyone decided to get nice. Maybe that will happen here but considering what I've heard about all the labor issues in the next CBA, I'm more pessimistic today than I was last week or the week where Trevor Pluoffe sent out that tweet.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Not a fan at all of what the A's owner is doing wrt minor leaguers.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I don't really side with any of them here. The owners should be able to take a hit to revenues, that's part of owning a business. That being said, players look bad complaining about 'risking their lives' when f***ing McDonalds workers have been doing it for $12 an hour.

Just figure it out, you both lose if you can't come to an agreement.

 

[Unholy Diver]

The longer they stay out and bicker over money the easier it will be when the whole thing gets cancelled, I haven't missed it nearly as much as I thought I would

 

[NJDevs26]

They really are about to go off the cliff, aren't they? **** them all

 

[BMOK33]

The owners won’t say it but they’re probably fine with no season and the players not getting any money at all

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I am still of the belief they will strike a deal but certainly not as confident as I was a couple of weeks ago.