Movies: Star Wars VIII The Last Jedi, for those who have seen it! (SPOILERS)

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canuckster19

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Ok I don't know what to think, I think I'm pissed off because that movie left me with more questions than answers, as well as it's cookie cutter Marvel movie amount of action with little to no character development.

The Luke scene at the end was pretty badass though.

Still processing how I feel, but this is my initial reaction.
 

Hollywood Cannon

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Just got back from seeing it.

Yep, I’m definitely still processing how I feel about it.

It did leave a lot to be desired though. It didn’t necessarily feel Star Warsish.
 

canuckster19

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Honestly, who was Snoke and where was he the first 6 movies? I mean maybe he was Plagueis but, really, he just dies like that not sensing what Kylo Ren was about to do? DUMB

I was almost hoping for a double turn, Ben becomes a Jedi and Rey goes to the Darkside and in the end they both become centerists.
 

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Still processing myself after just getting back.

It was a very busy film. At times I felt there were too many characters to cover.

Some questions far from answered while a couple of villans were completed way too soon.

The Porgs were placed in the film perfectly. I think of them as Ewoks that didn't alter the story.
 
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PB37

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Pros:

- It was Star Wars
- Finn was great
- Poe was good
- They were building Snoke to be a legit overarching nemesis with a backstory yet to be revealed
- Mark Hamil's acting was on point
- The climax swerve was well done and unexpected

Cons:

The movie felt like a giant Jenga tower. The first block to get pulled out was the Lei Starlord scene. WTF was that??? Snoke getting punked after a solid job of building him... no backstory reveal and while I understand they were using Snoke as a means to give Kylo credibility moving forward, it was just way too soon. I also feel like they tried to add way too much levity and while it worked for The Force Awakens, a lot of the jokes fell flat with The Last Jedi. The invincible rebel capital ship was another stretch that I didn't like.
 

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Nope. MG saw a lot of the same things I did. These movies are rushed and story lines often times seem to come from nowhere and vanish far to quickly.

I got what I needed out of it. That is that Disney is going to milk every last dime it can out of the SW franchise. And more times than not the product they put out on screen will be bleh....
 

canuckster19

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Cons:

The movie felt like a giant Jenga tower. The first block to get pulled out was the Lei Starlord scene. WTF was that??? Snoke getting punked after a solid job of building him... no backstory reveal and while I understand they were using Snoke as a means to give Kylo credibility moving forward, it was just way too soon. I also feel like they tried to add way too much levity and while it worked for The Force Awakens, a lot of the jokes fell flat with The Last Jedi. The invincible rebel capital ship was another stretch that I didn't like.

It's actually in Star Wars Cannon that turbo lasers lose their striking power over greater distances, this was even mentioned in the movie.
 

canuckster19

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Nope. MG saw a lot of the same things I did. These movies are rushed and story lines often times seem to come from nowhere and vanish far to quickly.

I got what I needed out of it. That is that Disney is going to milk every last dime it can out of the SW franchise. And more times than not the product they put out on screen will be bleh....

I kind of hope that after the 9th movie that they go to a TV series format instead, ala Game of Thrones, give time for both plenty of action and character development and backstory. I personally hate going to the movies now.
 

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God awful movie. Kylo comes across as a spoiled child, who isn't overly powerful and has still yet to actually win a god damn duel. Snoke quickly turned from a mysterious badass to a Palpatine wannabe with zero backstory and died a laughable death. Rey is an overpowered Mary Sue with little to no training who is for some reason stronger than Vader's Grandson, who was trained by Luke Skywalker.

Mark Hamill did his best to save this disaster, and Adam Driver despite playing a not so great character delivered as well. The entire first order is lame, really. Poe is a cool new character, along with BB-8. The others...Eh. Pretty disappointed I wasted 13$ on this shit.

1.5/5.
 

Richard

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That was a STUPID f***ING MOVIE. Seriously, the entire middle of the movie that capital ship was so important that they have to try and save it. They are tracking them through hyperspace...... so they have a bunch of little ships. Everyone go off in a different direction and you will only lose the big ship. But wait.... at the end the people are the most important!!! It is the people! So let's save the people!


f***ing Snoke was a cartoon character. Kylo Ren hesitates to kill his mother scene is only put there so they can say "uh huh, GOTCHA! Ren didn't turn hahaah!"


It was a disaster of a movie. Last Star Wars movie I will ever see.

I have seen every star wars movie on the big screen.... this was the only one where the audience didn't clap. They even clapped for Attack of the Clones.
 
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Tawnos

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Just got back from seeing it.

Yep, I’m definitely still processing how I feel about it.

It did leave a lot to be desired though. It didn’t necessarily feel Star Warsish.

I’m completely on the other side. That was an incredibly Star Warsish movie, but it depends on what you’ve seen. Elements of everything that was canon to this point. Pulled stylistically from the OT, PT AND animated series in equal measures. But, if you haven’t watch much of the animated series, then you wouldn’t be sure of where some of the style was coming from. The mysticism around the Force... a lot of the way that was executed reminded me so strongly of Clone Wars and Rebels.

The movie was heavy as hell. Yeah, a lot of action. But also a ton of exploring the Force itself. Like the last movie, we got some new Force abilities: astral projection, Force ghosts manipulating the weather, and the ability to survive the vacuum of space (only explanation for Leia’s Mary Poppins routine). Although that last had me confused for sure. But we also got a bunch of philosophizing over the meaning of the Force, along with what it means to be part of a Rebellion and what it means to be a leader.

Despite what some in here are saying, I thought there was a TON of character development. Remember, there are only 4 characters that matter: Rey, Kylo, Poe, and Finn. Rey went out on a limb for Kylo and gets burned, plus learns that her power is all her own. Kylo even more firmly entrenches himself in the Dark Side, although he’s still erratic and unstable. Poe grows as a leader. Finn chooses a side that’s not just about his friendship with Rey, but about his own ideals. That’s a lot!

Happy that Rey is just a nobody.

Was surprised that Snoke bit it so early, but they really need him out of the way for Kylo Ren to complete his character arc.

Can’t wait to see it again.
 

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My initial reaction was that it was bad

The plot was all over the place and felt very disjointed wonder if it had to do with the rewrites and the whole part of the movie with Finn felt like complete filler and ended up having no impact on the story,

Snoke ended up being a complete joke and revealed nothing about his character guess they will try to milk a movie out of that...

TFA definitely had its flaws but at least it was a cohesive story that made me want more, the end of this movie left a sour taste in my mouth and will probably not be rushing to see episode 9
 

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The more I think about it, the less I like it. IMO the biggest problem is that it does not have a credible antagonist. Snoke was right, Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader, sorry kiddo, you are just one disturbed whiny bitch. The second problem is that it continues to mimic the original series, with the same type of storylines and similar outcomes. At least the prequel built the foundation of the story, but the sequel brings nothing new. Bad guys (Empire First Order) against good guys (Rebels). Some bad guys are conflicted (Vader, Kylo Ren), some good guys are strong with the force and really look after their friends (Luke, Rey). The bad guys are controlled by powerful worse guys (Palpatine, Snoke), that die at the hands of their pupils. The bad guys have powerful weapons that good guys destroy, against all odds. The Last Jedi felt like a compilation of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Perhaps they will have something new for Episode IX, now that Kylo Ren is the big honcho.
 
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Rey being a nobody I am guessing is a red herring.. as boring as it would have been for her to be a lost Skywalker or bastard daughter of Obi Wan at least it makes sense.

I am guessing that will be a plot twist at the end of 9..
 

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And the scene with the "horses", oh man, that was bad.

IMO Rogue One was much better than both TFA and TLJ. Felt more dark and dramatic, with a great ending, unlike the mishmash of "endings" in TLJ.
 
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Just home from it.

Not sure how I feel. Still processing it. A lot happened. Firstly I think character development was pretty solid, Luke was sensational and I really, really liked Poe in this one. But it felt a bit disjointed.

I walked away from TFA and even Rogue One feeling more positive. But this movie felt very different, and I guess that could be seen as a positive, but I'm not sure yet.

Will need to see again to really start making up my mind. The middle section seemed really slow though. Last third was good.
 

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Not going to wade into the quagmire that will be the quality debate in this thread.

It did feel very Star Wars to me, not sure where that complaint was coming from.

Mostly came here to post a couple moments I found particularly clever:
When Finn opens the drawer onboard the Falcon to get Rose a blanket (nice homage to the same scene with Luke at the end of V, btw), the camera shows his hand tracing over the Jedi tomes in the drawer.

Thinking back on the scene with Luke and Yoda, it actually makes perfect sense and is kinda cheeky. When Yoda catches the force tree on fire, an explosion prevents Luke from entering the tree to save the tomes. Then Yoda quips something along the lines (pardon my para-yoda-phrasing) "Wisdom, they have. But nothing that Rey does not already possess." At the time you're obviously meant to feel that she knows/learns whatever content is in the books, but after seeing the ending of the movie it's revealed that Yoda knows she literally possesses the books.

And some clever foreshadowing in the climactic duel
They repeatedly show that other characters leave footprints in the salt on the planet. They also take care to show that Luke does not, even when dodging and sliding. Further still, Luke's appearance in that duel is as Kylo remembers him (shorter hair, darker beard) and he still possesses the lightsaber that Rey and Kylo tore in half. He also takes care to dodge every attack, and never actually clash sabers.

And one question.
What was with the dice/keychain? Is that something I'm forgetting from Ep7?
 
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And the scene with the ****ing "horses", oh man, that was bad.

IMO Rogue One was much better than both TFA and TLJ. Felt more dark and dramatic, with a great ending, unlike the mishmash of "endings" in TLJ.
I agree. RO is severely underrated, honestly a great movie with real heart.
 
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Hivemind

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I will say the casino segment, while fun and a cool exploration of the Star Wars universe (including Benicio Del Toro's attempt to persuade Finn), probably should have been cut. It was fluff that made the runtime longer than necessary while stretching some other timeline and plot points pretty far.
 

Tawnos

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Rey being a nobody I am guessing is a red herring.. as boring as it would have been for her to be a lost Skywalker or bastard daughter of Obi Wan at least it makes sense.

I am guessing that will be a plot twist at the end of 9..

You might be right, but why doesn’t it make sense for her to be nobody? I mean, in the context of the OT, we know who Anakin Skywalker is from the moment we see him on screen in TPM. But in the context of the people “living” the time, he’s a nobody too. Qui Gon implicitly believes Shmi when she says there was no father, but I never did.

Snoke actually kind of explains this, and in some ways we can apply it to Anakin too. The Force itself is responsible here. With a coming unbalance potentially created by Kylo Ren’s power, it imbued power on someone likely to counteract him. Just as it did with Anakin as a counterbalance to Palpatine. In Palpatine’s case, he managed to subvert the Force for a while and turned Anakin to his side, but that didn’t last a terribly long time in the grand scheme of things.
 

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I will say the casino segment, while fun and a cool exploration of the Star Wars universe (including Benicio Del Toro's attempt to persuade Finn), probably should have been cut. It was fluff that made the runtime longer than necessary while stretching some other timeline and plot points pretty far.

The whole sequence with them going after the code breaker felt contrived, only there so Finn has something to do in the movie.
 

Tawnos

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Not going to wade into the quagmire that will be the quality debate in this thread.

It did feel very Star Wars to me, not sure where that complaint was coming from.

Mostly came here to post a couple moments I found particularly clever:
When Finn opens the drawer onboard the Falcon to get Rose a blanket (nice homage to the same scene with Luke at the end of V, btw), the camera shows his hand tracing over the Jedi tomes in the drawer.

Thinking back on the scene with Luke and Yoda, it actually makes perfect sense and is kinda cheeky. When Yoda catches the force tree on fire, an explosion prevents Luke from entering the tree to save the tomes. Then Yoda quips something along the lines (pardon my para-yoda-phrasing) "Wisdom, they have. But nothing that Rey does not already possess." At the time you're obviously meant to feel that she knows/learns whatever content is in the books, but after seeing the ending of the movie it's revealed that Yoda knows she literally possesses the books.

And some clever foreshadowing in the climactic duel
They repeatedly show that other characters leave footprints in the salt on the planet. They also take care to show that Luke does not, even when dodging and sliding. Further still, Luke's appearance in that duel is as Kylo remembers him (shorter hair, darker beard) and he still possesses the lightsaber that Rey and Kylo tore in half. He also takes care to dodge every attack, and never actually clash sabers.

And one question.
What was with the dice/keychain? Is that something I'm forgetting from Ep7?

You really don’t have to use spoiler tags in this thread.

Anyway, some good points... one I even missed.

As for the dice, I’m assuming we get the explanation for that from the upcoming Solo movie.
 

Tawnos

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The whole sequence with them going after the code breaker felt contrived, only there so Finn has something to do in the movie.

The point of the code breaker sequence is to bring Finn into contact with someone who is not on a side in the conflict, which has a powerful allure to Finn going back to TFA. In the end, it helps push him towards deciding to give everything to the Resistance.
 

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This is hilarious. Haven't seen it yet and not a big Star Wars fan but my friends reactions range from;

"ZOMG GREATEST FILM EVER BETTER THAN EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!"

to

"WHAT THE f*** DID I JUST WATCH?! WORSE THAN THE PREQUEL TRILOGY! PURE SHIT!"

I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the 4K release and watch it on my 65" C7 sometime next year lol.
 

PBandJ

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I thought Luke's death was pure perfection. Like Rey said, he passed with hope and purpose.

Hamill delivered a fantastic performance as an aged, pessimistic Luke. Carrie Fisher was on point in her final performance. Driver was fantastic portraying the constantly conflicted Kylo Ren. Boyega brought great charm to Finn and Issac really nailed Poe learning to become a leader throughout the movie.

My one complaint is the total waste of Gwendoline Christie as Phasma. They could have done a lot more with her.
 
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