Staal over Crosby???No Way.

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  1. Letang fan 58

    Letang fan 58 No More Fleury

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    Staal has an AWESOME start to the season and everyone knows that and there is no doubting that whatsoever.
    Crosby has however had a better last month then Staal which needs to be recognized. Sure Staal has more ponits then Crosby at this point, but he did have almost 2 points a game in the first month and fall off dramatically like predicted to aprox 1 point per game in November.

    Crosby however has looked better every single game, the setup's that he has made are absolutely sick, some of the goals he has scored are just as sick.
    Crosby has had 14 points in 13 games for the month of november, is a -1 on a team that is terrible.
    Staal has had 12 points in 12 games and is -4 i believe on a team that is battling for first place.

    The X factor of it all, Crosby has a knack for big time plays at the right time as showcased by his shootout goal vs Theodore and his OT winner vs the Flyers in Philly after taking a stick in the face TWICE :yo:
     
  2. wildone26*

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    Staal absolutely deserves to be on the team over Crosby, and it would be very unfortunate if Crosby was chosen for the team over Staal. Staal has a far better points ratio, has more experience, is better defenisively, and as low down as Pittsburg are down in the standings, Crosby gets atleast equal support from his linemates at the forward position as Staal does. Staal is probably on the bubble to make the team, but Crosby should not even be on the bubble assuming politics and marketing dont play a role, as it too often does. Just my opinion.
     
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    Staal's been nice, and Crosby has been "sick", but....

    ...Spezza's been "sicker."
     
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    I'd really like Crosby to be playing for the World Juniors this year...considering Pittsburgh doesn't come to Edmonton and we don't get to see him play this year.
     
  5. There is absolutely NO CHANCE IN HELL that Crosby will be playing in the World Juniors.
     
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    Well obviously...I'm just saying that it would have been nice if he could be playing.
     
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    It's sad that it looks like Team Gretzky will consist of neither Staal nor Crosby.

    That said, I'll agree that Crosby gets my vote ahead of Stall.

    You say Staal has more experience? Explain.

    Staal has more professional experience, certainly. Crosby has played in 2 WJHC (silver and gold), a Memorial Cup, an Air Canada Cup, and has been in the spotlight (and thus faced heaps of pressure), since he was 14.

    I'm not as familiar with Staal, but I don't believe has has the same resume.

    Also, Staal's play (along with the Canes) has declined noticeably after an absolutely fabulous start to the season. Crosby, meanwhile, has gotten better every game. I'll admit to only having seen either a half-dozen times, but Crosby has the edge in my opinion and based on what I've seen.
     
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    I dont see why all three (Staal, Spezza, Crosby) wont have a decent chance to be on the team. All three have proven themselves above and beyond.
     
  9. With Gretzky picking the team there will probably only be one of those guys on the team. I would pick Spezza and then Crosby if he picks 2 of those guys.
     
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    another thing going in crosbys favor
    due to staal playin in the NHL at 18, and having an early bday
    he never played in a world jr tourney while crosbys played in 2
    take it for what its worth
     
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    I dont think any of these guys make this team. Look at Salt Lake, experience counts. Spezza, Staal AND Crosby will make the 2010 Vancouver games. THis year no for centres Lecavlier, Richards, Thorton, and then Marleau and possibly Lemieux and thats not even including guys liek Draper that Gretzky and the olympic team always has. HF is too much about these young prospects. IF any make the team it will be Spezza, but really none are going to. This goes for Phaneuf aswell sorry young guns just dont make Canadian Olympic teams.
     
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    I think Sid will make it as a winger and Spezza possibly as a center. Not sure about Staal.
     
  14. wildone26*

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    This is completely untrue. Crosby has gotten only 1 point in his last 5 or 6 games.
    Staal is still getting atleast a point in almost every game he plays. Crosby is the one who is slowing down noticeably right now, not Staal.

    Experience at World juniors is not real experience to prepare you for the Olympics.
    It is junior level experience.
     
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    Why would you play guys ou of position on this team and a 18 yr old at that. Crosby is not making this team.
     
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    Good point. Has Staal ever played on big ice? Maybe at the under 18s, but I don't know. I'm not sure you'd want a guy experiencing that for the first time at a tournament the magnitude of the Olympics.
     
  17. Mr.Brownov*

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    Spezza is a lock with Heatley IMO. I'd love to see Staal centering Crosby.
     
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    Sid has played wing a fair bit and a lot of people think he could excel there as well as at centre. IIRC Scotty Bowman said something to this effect but I don't remember where I heard it.
     
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    Did I mention that..
    Gretz always talks about "we'll take the players that are playing the best at the time"....

    IF that's the case, he should take two of the three.

    And I think Crosby and Staal could both thrive in defensive roles if need be. No time for some of the old balls with no puck possession skills.

    Spezza is a lock.
     
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    Unfortunately, stats don't always tell the story.

    I was referring to their actual game play, rather than their statistical output.
     
  21. wildone26*

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    Have you seen both players play every game? If not, how do you accurately access their actual game play. Statistics dont tell the whole story, but they do tell alot of it, especially when both players are scoring forwards. Crosby is not a checker, or a grinder, or a defensive specialist, he is a scorer. If he is only scoring 1 point in 5 or 6 games, he is clearly not playing as well as Staal right now, period.
    Crosby is also a - ratio, while Palffy who often plays with him is a +.
     
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    Also he has 2 points in his last 5 games or 4 in his last 6 (maybe you meant 1 in his last 4). He did go 3 games straight without a point after suffering a foot injury during that time although he only seemed off form for the first two and it was not obvious why.
    His last game he scored a goal and was very close to scoring/assisting several times. He could break out anytime, especially if the Pens anaemic powerplay starts to click. Hopefully that happens soon. It would be a shame if he just misses a spot and come February it is obvious to everyone that he should be on the team. Obviously I am biased but so far he has consistently exceeded any predictions I've made. The same could be said for Staal and I hope they both make the team if come December 21 they are still out performing the guys that seemed like locks starting the season.
     
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    This is obviously really the Spezza, Staal or Crosby debate not just the two mentioned in the thread title.

    Really which ever one of these guys taken if any, will have to be able to play on the 4th line. Or they have to be justifiable as playing on the 2nd line. Spezza IMO is the only one out of the 3 that I could see playing on the 2nd offensive unit, PP and 4th line if need be. As mentioned Spezza's chemistry with Heatley should go a long way.

    I could not see bringing Crosby or Staal and giving them 2nd line duty or much time on the PP. Out of the two I think Staal would be better fit for the 4th line. But if you want to bring one of the two as just being the 13th forward, with little chance of playing in a meaningful game or situation, then obvisouly you give the "experience" of the Olympics to Crosby for future training.
     
  24. wildone26*

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    I think it is crazy to bring a 13th forward, just to give them experience if they are not a good fit on the team, just because you know you wont have to play them. What if there is an injury at the Olympics itself, or somebody is struggling and they need to use that 13th forward? Spezza can play on a 2nd line, Staal probably wont but can do 4th line type of duty, Crosby isnt quite good enough to be on the 2nd line or even the 3rd line, and he doesnt play the type of game to fit in on a 4th line.
     
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    Both stand little chance at making the team but Staal is the obvious choice over Crosby.

    Stall is tied for 3rd in the NHL in points and has a far better FO% then his counterpart which is a statement considering Staal is only 42.8%.

    Crosby could easily be knocked off the top 30 in a few games.

    Unless Crosby plays far better then he has thus far(especially of late) not even the Great One and Super Mario will get him on team Canada.

    Doing so would piss a lot of people off and would cause dissent within the team.

    Staal is 3 years older then Crosby and is in his second NHL season.

    Crosby has a Gold and Silver in junior and went to the Memorial Cup finals last season, but in the Olympics that means nothing.
     
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