Tribute St.Louis Blues all time team, what would your look like?

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  1. Notabaguette Registered User

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    St.Louis Blues all time team, what would your look like?
    Sutter Gretzky Hull
    Steen Federko Shanahan
    Demitra Turgeon Tarasenko
    Tkachuk O'Reilly Backes
    Pronger McInnis
    Harvey Pietrangelo
    Housley Parayko
    Plante
    CuJo

    HM. Hawerchuk, Gilmour, Shartenkirk for me
     
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    Some of those guys were great players but not great Blues. Housley in particular disgraced the Note with his play. Gretzky was here for like 2 months. Feels wrong to put guys like that on Blues all time team, no matter how great their overall career.
     
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    Hall and Fuhr as well
     
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    Eeew, not Housley. Stevens should be in there.
     
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    I agree. Gretzky shouldn't count. He will make the top of every list just because of who he is, not what he did for the franchise.
     
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    Definitely missed him.
     
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    No worries. This is a difficult exercise! Outside of your list, there is still Joey Mullen, Gary Unger, Red Berenson, Bob and Barclay Plager ... There have been so many great players on this team.
     
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    I think a player should have to play a minimum of 3 full seasons to count.
     
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    Shanahan - Oates - Hull
    Bartechko - Hanzus - Demitra
    Pellerin - Conroy - Atchenum
    Twist - Reaves - Chase

    Pronger - MacInnis
    Brown - Pietrangelo
    Dushesne - Parayko

    Binnington
    Joseph
     
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    That 4th line though...goodnight
     
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    I disagree wholeheartedly. We should judge the player by the quality of his play while with The Blues. If the player played at least a full season with The Blues, he should be eligible - like Scott Stevens. Wayne Gretzky only played 14 regular season games for The Blues. So, maybe that, alone should disqualify him. But he was at the tail end of his career, and just a shadow of his prime abilities. So, his Blues' play, although decent, wouldn't make him one of the top 4 Blues' centres at their peak level as a Blue in any case. Glen Hall played 4 full seasons with The Blues, and his playing level in his first year with them (67-68) was as good as ANY Blues' goalie at his peak with this team. Both Hall and Plante played just about that same level the next season (68-69), and Hall's level was somewhat lower in 69-70, but still very high. I'd pick Hall and Plante as their 2 best, with Liut just a hair below (and he was excellent for them for a long time. Binnington started off great, but has shown some "coming down to Earth" this season.

    So-Here's my list:

    Shanahan-Oates-Hull
    Turgeon-Unger-Demitra
    Tkachuk/B.Sutter-Berenson-Tarasenko
    Mullen-O'Reilly/Federko-Gilmore

    Pronger - MacInnis
    Stevens-Pietrangelo
    Ramage-Parayko/B.Plager

    Plante
    Hall/Liut

    Bowman/Berube



    Some of the forwards are out of position, but I wanted to put the 12 best on the team. It was difficult to leave so many great Blues off. But, I believe these were the most valuable Blues at the peak of their games as a Blues' player. These AREN'T the Blues who helped the team the most careerwise, which would add Bob Plager,
     
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    I’m gonna stay away from players pre 1990 as I don’t really feel to qualified to judge their play. This team is heavily biased by players who I liked the most as well.

    Tkachuk - Oates - Hull
    Demitra - Turgeon - Tarasenko
    Schwartz - ROR - Shannahan
    Perron - Backes - Oshie

    Pronger - Macinnis
    Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
    Shattenkirk - Parayko

    Binnington
    Elliot

    ROR and Binnington are new but given recent circumstances regarding breaking a drought I’ve accepted them as long term members. A lot of hard omissions from the list as well I found
     
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    Anderson -Gretzky-Federko
    Shanahan - Oates - Hull
    Moore - Gilmour - Tkachuk
    Kariya - Stastny Sr. - Hawerchuk

    Pronger - MacInnis
    Lapointe - Harvey
    Stevens - Housley

    Brodeur

    Everyone at their career peak
    Don't @ me
     
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    Out of curiosity I wanted to see what a roster would look like comprised ONLY of players who have played more games for the Blues than any other franchise.

    B. Sutter - Federko - Hull
    Berenson - Turgeon - Demitra
    Courtnall - Unger - Tarasenko
    Steen - Backes - Young

    Schwartz
    Perron

    Pronger - Pietrangelo
    Ba. Plager - Parayko
    Bouwmeester - J. Brown

    Bo. Plager/Ramage/Cavallini/Jackman

    Joseph
    Liut

    Not as good as I'd hoped(only 3 HoFers), but not bad. The Blues' habit of cycling through players in the 80's and 90's hurts this roster.
     
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    I'm using the all time, but minimum one season model. So :
    • B. Sutter - Oates - Hull
    • Unger -Berenson -Shanahan
    • Backes - Federko - Tarasenko
    • Tkachuk -O'Reilly - Turgeon
    • Pronger - MacInnis
    • Stevens - Pietrangelo
    • Ba. Plager - Parayko
    • Hall
    • Liut
     
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    I hate these things because I always leave someone out, accidentally or on purpose, who deserves to be there. Still, here we go...

    F: Federko, Unger, Berenson, Oates, Shanahan, Hull, Sutter, Tarasenko, Babych, Pettersson, Demitra, Tkachuk, Lefley, Mullen

    D: Pronger, MacInnis, B Plager, R Plager, Pietrangelo, Stevens, Brown

    G: Hall, Liut

    HM: ROR, Backes, Oshie, Gilmour, Arbour, Gassoff, Roberts, Binnington, CuJo, Fuhr

    Edit 4/7/2020 - See, not even 24 hours later and I realize that I left Shanahan off my list! :mad:
     
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    All-time and even up until the mid 90’s is hard for me, because I didn’t really get to watch those players at all.

    I ended up doing a last 20 seasons one after reading this(it’s the seasons I really actually remember), and the convo comparing the 99-00 team and the 18-19 team in another thread.

    Demitra-Turgeon-Tarasenko
    Tkachuk-O’Reilly-Backes
    Steen-Weight-Young
    MacDonald-Schenn-Oshie
    Schwartz, Perron

    Pronger-MacInnis
    Jackman-Pietrangelo
    Bouwmeester-Parayko
    Shattenkirk

    Binnington
    Elliott/Allen


    I tried to put players who were here for at least 2 years.
     
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  18. Mud the ACAS St. Louis Blues: 2019 Stanley Cup Champions

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    Players not listed in any particular order.

    Forwards - Hull, Oates, B. Sutter, Unger, O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Demitra, Berenson, Federko, Mullen, Gilmour, Shanahan

    Defense - Pronger, MacInnis, Pietrangelo, Brown, Bob Plager, Gassoff
    Goal - Liut, Hall


    HM
    -- Tkachuk (I could put him in the top-12, but I also think his best days were before St. Louis and I don't know that he ever really stood out as "damn, he's outstanding" like guys noted above)
    -- Binnington (I really want to put him on the team for backstopping us to the Cup, but damn ... I can't do that off just one year)
    -- Babych (if he doesn't decide to try and fight and blow out his rotator cuff, who knows what kind of totals he puts up)
    -- Larry Patey (totally underrated bottom-6 guy who excelled on the PK; if we're building a "complete" team, I'd want him on it)
    -- Steen (going to finish way up on Blues all-time lists, but I can't push him into the top-12 forwards)
    -- Backes (if we're talking heart and soul, he's on the team; all-time, though? Can't get him there)
    -- Parayko (I see people putting him in the top-6; I get it, talent-wise he's probably better than Gassoff but I still think he's not using all of it plus he doesn't have the intangibles Gassoff had)
     
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    Kariya Gretzky Turgeon
    Shanahan Oates Hull
    Hawerchuk Gilmour Tarasenko
    Brind’Amour Federko Tkachuk

    Pronger MacInnis
    Stevens Pietrangelo
    Housley Parayko

    Brodeur
    Binnington

    Bowman / Berube

    Caron / Armstrong
     
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    I've neglected to put a list together for this reason. I'm always torn between putting it based on how these players were with us, vs at their career peak. Because if it's the former, the only team that makes sense is the 2019 edition. If it's the latter, it's Hull + a bunch of Oilers + Brodeur; and maybe Gilmour.
     
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    Goaltending is Binnington all day. First rookie in the history of the league to win all the playoff games necessary to take home the Cup. His tandem netminder? Glenn Hall. Everyone else can go home.
     
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    Sutter............Federko.............Mullen
    Tkachuk........Oates.................Hull
    Unger............Gilmour............Backes
    Oshie.............Turgeon............Tarasenko

    Stevens...........Pietrangelo
    Pronger..........MacInnis
    Duchesne.......Gassoff

    Binnington
    Hall
    Liut

    Very hard to do and have to omit great players like Berenson, Plagers, etc.
     
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    You could get Barclay Plager (not to mention Rob Ramage, Bob Plager, and even a near 40 has been (Doug Harvey), onto that team, with NO problem, as they were ALL more solid, more valuable overall as defencemen for The Blues than was Steve Duschene (who was strictly an offensive player, and a defenceman's job is to play defence). Steve was a great power play QB, - no doubt about it. But, he was below par on defence. He was a Shattenkirk type, and VERY instrumental in Hull's and The Blues' 2nd line scoring tremendous amounts. But I don't feel he should be in a spot that pushes Barc Plager and Ramage out, considered that both of them were excellent on both defence, and offence. Also, Gassoff played well, and his tragic death cut short what certainly WOULD HAVE been a great career. But I don't think his short 3 years of tough, decent, but NOT all-star-level, play with The Blues, beats both Barc Plager's 6 or 7 years and Rob Ramage's 6 - years of all-star level play for The Blues. You could even make the case of putting Bob Plager ahead of both of them.
     
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    Completely forgot about Rammer. He was a warrior. You’re right, Ramage and a Plager belong on my 3rd pair instead of Duchesne and Gassoff. Good call Rob!! Thanks for setting me straight. Like I said, this is a tough exercise.
     
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    Spot on concerning Duchesne, Robb! I remember having many arguments with fellow Blues fans about it, but I hated the trade that brought Duchesne to the Blues! Ron Sutter, Bob Bassen and Garth Butcher were all role players, but that trade ripped the heart out of that version of the St, Louis Blues. It was one of those weird trades where we absolutely got the best player, but it didn't necessarily make the team better. Like I said, mine was a very unpopular opinion at the time, and still might be, but I stand by it.
     

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