St. Louis and San Jose Watch (1st round picks)

[Sabre the Win]

I'd have no problem trading a 1st for a rental if we are in position to make a push for the playoffs.

Yes we arent going to make noise in playoffs but just getting there is badly needed for a lot of the players on this team. They need to experience this

Wasting a pick when we arent contenders but just to make the playoffs is horrible asset management.

 

[Snippit]

Wasting a pick when we arent contenders but just to make the playoffs is horrible asset management.

*just for an increased chance at making the playoffs

 

[Beerz]

Wasting a pick when we arent contenders but just to make the playoffs is horrible asset management.

If you were a team that bounced in and out of the playoffs the last few years and were the definition of mediocrity I would agree. But this is a team that is full of losers and bottom dwellers ... just making the playoffs would be a huge boom to the confidence of the players, organization and city. It's a no brainer.

The experienced gained for players like Risto, Jack, Sam, Dahlin would be huge down the road...

 

[DJN21]

If you were a team that bounced in and out of the playoffs the last few years and were the definition of mediocrity I would agree. But this is a team that is full of losers and bottom dwellers ... just making the playoffs would be a huge boom to the confidence of the players, organization and city. It's a no brainer.

The experienced gained for players like Risto, Jack, Sam, Dahlin would be huge down the road...

I'd rather see this team grow together and make the playoffs than draft the next mark pysyk. But I don't wanna trade for the next brad Boyes either. But i dont wanna miss out on the next barzal. Like I said depends on the player and circumstances. But I agree with your mindset of having an open mind and not continuing to bet on magic beans draft picks.

This debate could go on forever and never have a resolution because SOME player will be drafted with or after our late first rounder we traded that will be better than the player we aquire so there will always be an out for posters against it.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Blues beat the Sharks 4-0 with a shutout by The Chad. Might be turning their season around enough to get into that 11-15 range?

 

[Sabre the Win]

Blues beat the Sharks 4-0 with a shutout by The Chad. Might be turning their season around enough to get into that 11-15 range?

And keep Yeo behind the bench to limit Q's options

 

[JThorne]

A non-OT game is the best outcome for SJ-Stl.

 

[Ace]

Blues sit alone in 30th place. Gonna need you to win those games in hand you have...at least make a show out of a run out of the top 10 before it’s too late.

 

[Reddawg]

Blues sit alone in 30th place. Gonna need you to win those games in hand you have...at least make a show out of a run out of the top 10 before it’s too late.

Pretty shocking considering they traded for the best #2 center in the league who is a fantastic player no team should ever trade ever.

 

[Samsonite23]

Pretty shocking considering they traded for the best #2 center in the league who is a fantastic player no team should ever trade ever.

Imagine how bad they would be if they didn’t have the best player on their team this year.

 

[Ace]

Imagine how bad they would be if they didn’t have the best player on their team this year.

Teams without RoR find success way more often than teams with him.

 

[Samsonite23]

Teams without RoR find success way more often than teams with him.

Colorado had the same number of wins the year before and after they traded him. And the year after that they were god awful. The Sabres record got wayyyy better when they acquired him.

There is this weird narrative going around that says all of his teammates catch his "loser disease" immediately after he joins a team. Not only is it a false narrative because it's crazy talk, it's not even supported by the majority of team's records he's been traded to.

Edit: Made a dumb error.

 

[Reddawg]

Colorado had the same number of wins the year before and after they traded him. And the year after that they were god awful. The Sabres record got wayyyy better when they acquired him.

There is this weird narrative going around that says all of his teammates catch his "loser disease" immediately after he joins a team. Not only is it a false narrative because it's crazy talk, it's not even supported by the majority of team's records he's been traded to.

Edit: Made a dumb error.

I mean, he was hardly the only addition to the previous season's godawful lineup. We also added Jack, Sam, Kane, and 3/4ths of a year of Bogo to a roster who's previous leading scorer was Tyler Ennis with a whopping 46 points. ROR definitely helped, but he wasn't the only factor to the 15-16 team's overall improvement.

 

[dotcommunism]

I mean, he was hardly the only addition to the previous season's godawful lineup. We also added Jack, Sam, Kane, and 3/4ths of a year of Bogo to a roster who's previous leading scorer was Tyler Ennis with a whopping 46 points. ROR definitely helped, but he wasn't the only factor to the 15-16 team's overall improvement.

And he was hardly the only change from last season's god awful lineup. Nor was he the only change to the Blues rosters. Let's not forget they replaced Carter Hutton with Chad Johnson.

 

[Samsonite23]

I mean, he was hardly the only addition to the previous season's godawful lineup. We also added Jack, Sam, Kane, and 3/4ths of a year of Bogo to a roster who's previous leading scorer was Tyler Ennis with a whopping 46 points. ROR definitely helped, but he wasn't the only factor to the 15-16 team's overall improvement.

That's exactly my point...

 

[sabrebuild]

It’s almost like facts don’t exist when defending an untenable position.

 

[Reddawg]

It’s almost like facts don’t exist when defending an untenable position.

At this point ROR-trade supporters and ROR-trade iconoclasts may as well be Democrats vs Republicans or Hatfields vs McCoy's. There's no changing a single person on this board's mind about it at this point, but round and round the merry-go-round we all go.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

There's also no reason to lie to ourselves that off-ice factors might not have been worth a trade with a poor return. We don't know, but there's enough smoke to reasonably believe it might have been justifiable. I can be unhappy with the on-ice results and still think it might have been worth it. Some people love to think they literally know it all...on either side.

 

[1TuchAnd1NoTuch]

Still early but it’s really looking like we’ll be pulling for a Blues basement finish next year

 

[Gabrielor]

I feel good that STL will eventually go on a run, and push back into the bubble. Too much talent.

 

[MackAttack26]

Everything is so close and it is still very early.

Pulling for Blues losses now, not because I want their 2020 pick, but because they will start winning sooner or later and I am hoping it is too late for playoffs for them by then

 

[Snippit]

Everything is so close and it is still very early.

Pulling for Blues losses now, not because I want their 2020 pick, but because they will start winning sooner or later and I am hoping it is too late for playoffs for them by then

Yup they won't stay in the bottom 3.

Let's hope they keep losing for now.

 

[Snippit]

Blues down 1-0 in the 3rd

 

[flashsabre]

2-0 loss at home to the Kings. Man if that 1st pick was unprotected the dreams we could dream!

 

[Snippit]

Lol WTF is going on with St. Louis.

We absolutely dominated LA.