SSM Greyhounds 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 2)

Status
Not open for further replies.

Marj44

Registered User
Jun 17, 2015
263
206
I can’t quote it anymore but in response to Soo Hound Girl’s question about where Hayton could end up if returned:

Windsor for Wyatt Johnston and a boatload of high draft picks.
If Peterborough then JR Avon and a boatload of draft picks.

If it was a package deal I could see Wale being included to either depending on the price.
 

HockeyHero96

Registered User
Nov 1, 2015
311
53
For hAyton I would look at

Oshawa

Brett Harrison and picks

Peterborough

Avon or mctavish and picks
 

HockeyPops

Registered User
Aug 20, 2018
7,129
6,031
2019-2020 Season stats
I am going to try to keep this updated with our prospects and links to any current season stats that we can find on each. I would like to crowd source this information, so if you find a link to someone's stats please post below and I will update this post with it accordingly.

2003 Prospects
2019, 1st - Holmes, Jacob (D)
2019, 3rd - Boudreau, Marc (F)
2019, 4th - D'Intino, Jordan (F) - Strathroy Rockets (GOJHL)
2019, 5th - Parsons, Owen (F) - Waterloo Wolves Midget AAA (AHMPL)
2019, 6th - Brzustowski, Luc (D) - Kitchener Dutchmen (GOJHL)
2019, 7th - Taylor, Coulter (G) - Upper Canada College (CISAA)
2019, 8th - Haymes, Luke (F) - Ridley College (MPHL)
2019, 9th - Chiddenton, Rhys (F) - Georgetown Raiders (OJHL) & Timmins Rock (NOJHL)
2019, 10th - Brown, Hunter (D) - Kemptville 73's Midget AAA (HEOMAAA)
2019, 11th - Savard, Tyler (F) - Soo Thunderbirds (NOJHL)
2019, 12th - DiPasquo, Luca (G) - Honeybaked U16 (HPHL U16)
2019, 13th - Miller, Connor (F) - Honeybaked U16 (HPHL U16)
2019, 14th - DeVries, Luke (D) - Stratford Warriors (GOJHL)
2019, 15th - Heroux, Logan (D) - Oakland Jr. Grizzlies U16 (HPHL U16)

2002 Prospects

2018, 1st - O'Rourke, Ryan (D)
2018, 4th - Kerins, Rory (F)
2018, 5th - Watson, Kalvyn (F)
2018, 7th - Mufarreh, Dominic (F)
2018, 7th - McGuire, Cole (D) - Pickering Panthers (OJHL)
2018, 8th - Tomasini, Tyson (F) - Nepean Raiders (CCHL)
2018, 8th - Mann, Nate (F) - Buffalo Jr. Sabres (OJHL)
2018, 9th - Halushak, Matthew (D)
2018, 10th - Parker, Owen (G) - Nichols School (CISAA)
2018, 11th - Brown, Finn (F) - St. Michaels Buzzers (OJHL) - RPI Commit ('21-'22)
2018, 13th - McIntyre, Justin (G) - EJ Kassel U20 (DNL U20 3)
2018, 14th - Gorton, Jack (F) - Mid-Fairfield Rangers U18 (EHF 18U Elite)
2019I, 1st - Malik, Nick (G) - HC Fridek Mistek U19 (Czech2 U19 Chance Liga)
2019U, 1st - Frechette, Alexandre (F) - Rockland Nationals (CCHL)
2019U, 2nd - Zeppa, Noah (G) - Hearst Lumberjacks (NOJHL)
2019U, 3rd - Timchenko, Alexander (F) - Sakhalinskiye Akuly (MHL)
FA - Dickinson, Tanner (F)

2001 Prospects
2017, 1st - Fowler, Hayden (F) - traded
2017, 3rd - Calisti, Robert (D)
2017, 4th - Carroll, Joseph (F)
2017, 5th - Beecher, John (F) - Michigan University
2017, 5th - MacKay, Cole (F)
2017, 6th - Johnston, Alex (F)
2017, 8th - Kartye, Tye (F)
2017, 9th - Taylor, Ethan (G)
2017, 11th - Seguin, Kobe (D) - Soo Thunderbirds (NOJHL)
2017, 12th - Dreger, Mason (F)
2017, 13th - McMahon, Zackery (D)
2017, 14th - Letto, Paul (D) - New Jersey Rockets (NCDC)
2017, 15th - Porter, Owen (G) - Brampton Bombers (GOJHL)
2017, 15th - McLean, Cullen (F)
2018, 12th - Caufield, Cole (F) - Wisconsin University
2018I, 2nd - Pytlik, Jaromir (F)

Note on junior leagues:
BCHL, CCHL, NOJHL, OJHL, SIJHL are Junior A leagues.
PJHL, GOJHL are Junior B leagues.
Tier 1 in the US is called USHL. HPHL is not junior - it's midget.

Here is our approximate depth Chart by position.

LWCRWLDRDG
Kartye L (01)Pytlik R (01)Trott L (00)LeGuerrier L (00)Constantinou R (01)Brkin (99)
Dickinson L (02)Johnston L (01)Peca R (99)O'Rourke L (02)Wawrow R (01)Malik (02)
Carroll L (01)Kerins L (02)MacKay R (01)Calisti L (01)Holmes L (03)Taylor, E 33 (01)
Boudreau L (03)Mufarreh R (02)Watson R (02)Halushak L (02)
McLean L (01)
Savard L (03)D'Intino L (03)Parsons R (03)Brzustowski L (03)Brown, H R (03)DiPasquo (03)
Chiddenton L (03)Haymes L (03)Brown, F R (02)DeVries L (03)Heroux R (03)Taylor, C (03)
Mann L (02)Tomasini R (02)Gorton R (02)McGuire L (02)Zeppa (02)
Timchenko L (02)Caufield R (01)Parker (02)
Frechette L (02)McIntyre (02)
Miller R (03)
Beecher L (01)
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
2018-2019 Season stats - See Old Prospects Thread, post #2
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Houndzfan

TheGremlin

Registered User
May 23, 2018
2,103
2,446
Somewhere
I can’t quote it anymore but in response to Soo Hound Girl’s question about where Hayton could end up if returned:

Windsor for Wyatt Johnston and a boatload of high draft picks.
If Peterborough then JR Avon and a boatload of draft picks.

If it was a package deal I could see Wale being included to either depending on the price.
No way he comes to windsor. If windsor makes trade i quit
 

Techno Viking

Registered User
Mar 28, 2018
302
126
I believe the Hounds can still finish 1st over all in the conference or lead the league in points.
 

HockeyPops

Registered User
Aug 20, 2018
7,129
6,031
Interesting to note that for the last 2 games during Joe Carroll's suspension Dean has had both Zach Trott and Dom Mufarreh playing on their off wings. I give Dean lots of credit for thinking outside the box to fashion these lines - it would have been easy to continue playing everyone on their strong wing even if past experience showed the chemistry wasn't there. I imagine even with Joe now back Dean keeps Kartye-Pytlik-Trott together as that line has played well. Most likely scenario is Joe slots back in for Dom on Kerins line (Carroll-Kerins-MacKay) and Dom again becomes the odd man out.
 

HockeyPops

Registered User
Aug 20, 2018
7,129
6,031
I believe the Hounds can still finish 1st over all in the conference or lead the league in points.
Who hacked Paul's account?

But in all seriousness, I think there are many of us that have confidence in this team. However, I think that we will come up short of those predictions for the following reasons:
1) We had a very slow start to the season. It's just going to make it harder to climb that hill.
2) I think our roster dictates that we don't buy this season, even if we were to somehow win the next 17 in a row to take us to the trade deadline 26-12-1 (not going to happen obviously)
3) Other teams will decide to buy this year, strengthening their roster relative to ours.

But who knows. If we go on a run now, and if Malik and Hayton report after WJC, then maybe even without adding we could top the conference. I don't think any Western team will lead the league in points, as there are simply too many weak teams in the East that become easy pickings for those top few teams to rack up wins.
 

Generalsupdates

@GeneralsUpdates on Twitter
Sep 4, 2017
7,300
4,367
Anyone is in play for the best player in the league, including those two. Trading an impact rookie is hardly unprecedented for teams looking to make a run. Allan McShane is a good recent example.

Peterborough is the perfect storm for Hayton so you put McTavish on the table and don't budge. Other teams will pay up if they aren't serious about winning a title.

McShane is not a good example. He was taken 19th overall to the OHL. Clarke and McTavish were both taken top 5 overall and are performing right away. Guys in the 10-20 range are the ones who get traded. Guys who go top 5 are not the ones flipped in their rookie season at the deadline

A guy who was drafted top 5 has been traded at the deadline of his rookie season one time in the last 20 years (that's 1/100 top 5 picks to get traded, literally 1%), and it was Ryan Kujawinski who had 1 goal in 29 games for Sarnia. It just doesn't happen, especially not if they're doing as well as Clarke and McTavish are
 
Last edited:

ohloutsider

Registered User
Jan 13, 2016
6,711
7,498
Rock & Hardplace
I can’t quote it anymore but in response to Soo Hound Girl’s question about where Hayton could end up if returned:

Windsor for Wyatt Johnston and a boatload of high draft picks.
If Peterborough then JR Avon and a boatload of draft picks.

If it was a package deal I could see Wale being included to either depending on the price.
Hayton will never end up in Windsor - they will not be giving up any assets for a 1 and done player, this is not a go for it year in Windsor.
I think Flint and Saggy will take a serious look at him if he is returned.
 

Fischhaber

Registered User
Sep 3, 2014
3,031
1,622
McShane is not a good example. He was taken 19th overall to the OHL. Clarke and McTavish were both taken top 5 overall and are performing right away. Guys in the 10-20 range are the ones who get traded. Guys who go top 5 are not the ones flipped in their rookie season at the deadline

A guy who was drafted top 5 has been traded at the deadline of his rookie season one time in the last 20 years (that's 1/100 top 5 picks to get traded, literally 1%), and it was Ryan Kujawinski who had 1 goal in 29 games for Sarnia. It just doesn't happen, especially not if they're doing as well as Clarke and McTavish are

I never said that McShane was a top 5 pick. He was a key piece of his team that was putting up a lot of points for a rookie. That type of player has been and will be moved in the future.

The Greyhounds have Hayton so they will set the price. If Peterborough wants to play ball then so be it. If they don't then Raftis will keep him or move on to the next team. He hasn't hesitated to keep his stars when teams won't pay a fair price.
 

dirty12

Registered User
Mar 6, 2015
8,964
3,636
I never said that McShane was a top 5 pick. He was a key piece of his team that was putting up a lot of points for a rookie. That type of player has been and will be moved in the future.

The Greyhounds have Hayton so they will set the price. If Peterborough wants to play ball then so be it. If they don't then Raftis will keep him or move on to the next team. He hasn't hesitated to keep his stars when teams won't pay a fair price.

McShane was a bad example. You said McTavish on the table and don’t budge.

like gensupdates stated, top 5 picks don’t get traded at their first deadline. Break down Hayton’s value in picks; then, compare that to the return on the top defects. I doubt the Petes accept Hayton straight up for MacTavish.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DWI Dale

DWI Dale

Registered User
Mar 23, 2014
1,753
1,549
The Soo
we need hayton to return to the OHL to build up the cupboards for when WE need to make a splash.
i'll even wager that Hayton being returned is contingent on a trade. arizona will want him on a team that can make a deep run, that's not us.

we should have started moving players for youth/assets last season.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Houndzfan

Fischhaber

Registered User
Sep 3, 2014
3,031
1,622
McShane was a bad example. You said McTavish on the table and don’t budge.

like gensupdates stated, top 5 picks don’t get traded at their first deadline. Break down Hayton’s value in picks; then, compare that to the return on the top defects. I doubt the Petes accept Hayton straight up for MacTavish.

I already explained that I wasn't comparing their draft position. I think that McTavish what you ask from Peterborough. Hayton is the best player in the league going to his hometown team. If there was ever a time to ask high then this is it.

If they aren't serious about getting him then Raftis will move on to other teams. He doesn't move players without getting fair value. He'll keep them if he doesn't and his track record has been consistent in that regard.
 

dirty12

Registered User
Mar 6, 2015
8,964
3,636
I already explained that I wasn't comparing their draft position. I think that McTavish what you ask from Peterborough. Hayton is the best player in the league going to his hometown team. If there was ever a time to ask high then this is it.

If they aren't serious about getting him then Raftis will move on to other teams. He doesn't move players without getting fair value. He'll keep them if he doesn't and his track record has been consistent in that regard.

As Raftis absolutely should. Move on knowing that Hayton alone does not get you McTavish. Got a contender type top 6 RW or top 4 RD?
Not that you said, ... Peca is not good enough to be an OA for the Petes. Petes LD are Chisholm, Paquette, Hudson, Spearing, & Guryev
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bra Wavers

Houndsfan22

Registered User
Mar 27, 2018
115
118
Hayton is coming back on condition we are trading him. If not Arizona will just recall Hayton. But he’s coming back for WJC then returning here for a trade. He’ll go to Peterborough for a load of picks. I don’t have any source. I don’t care to suggest I’m some inside asshat who is out to brag that they know before anyone else, rather than keep their information tight lipped and maintain trust to the one who told them. But I prefer to make predictions based what I observe across the league and what I think can be very, very likely to happen. If I’m right I’ll open up a rye bottle I bought several years ago and have a drink. If I’m wrong, I had fun playing. Let the most picks fill our cupboards!
 

Fischhaber

Registered User
Sep 3, 2014
3,031
1,622
Hayton is coming back on condition we are trading him. If not Arizona will just recall Hayton. But he’s coming back for WJC then returning here for a trade. He’ll go to Peterborough for a load of picks. I don’t have any source. I don’t care to suggest I’m some inside asshat who is out to brag that they know before anyone else, rather than keep their information tight lipped and maintain trust to the one who told them. But I prefer to make predictions based what I observe across the league and what I think can be very, very likely to happen. If I’m right I’ll open up a rye bottle I bought several years ago and have a drink. If I’m wrong, I had fun playing. Let the most picks fill our cupboards!

I'm skeptical of the idea that Arizona doesn't trust the development ability of the team that turned Hayton into a 4th overall pick in the first place. They're either going to send him back or they're not. They won't let something so trivial hold back his development. I'm certain that Hayton would play here if given the choice of all 20 teams. He absolutely loves playing for the Greyhounds.
 

Houndsfan22

Registered User
Mar 27, 2018
115
118
If Arizona were to send Hayton back on condition of a trade to a contender, I doubt it would have anything to do with development issues in the Soo

More a case of them wanting him to play as much hockey as possible on a long playoff run.

Hmm half agree. He’s rated as the player to dominate the league if he returned. On a team where the coaching staff is relatively new in Major Jr, and there aren’t other higher caliber players on the team to motivate him to elevate to that level, he hasn’t much left to learn here. The Soo has fantastic development here. But he’s at his peak as to what the organization can bring. His next goal should be a very extensive playoff run. Learning to dominate or play consistently at a very high level in the OHL in a very competitive environment. We are not a deep round playoff team this year. That is where his next feat of strength should come from.
 

Fischhaber

Registered User
Sep 3, 2014
3,031
1,622
Hmm half agree. He’s rated as the player to dominate the league if he returned. On a team where the coaching staff is relatively new in Major Jr, and there aren’t other higher caliber players on the team to motivate him to elevate to that level, he hasn’t much left to learn here. The Soo has fantastic development here. But he’s at his peak as to what the organization can bring. His next goal should be a very extensive playoff run. Learning to dominate or play consistently at a very high level in the OHL in a very competitive environment. We are not a deep round playoff team this year. That is where his next feat of strength should come from.

I'm puzzled by the comment about learning to play at a high level in a competitive environment. He's already done that as much as any player can.

I expect a trade if he returns but I just can't see Arizona making that a condition of returning him to the OHL. That seems like a ridiculous stance to take if the alternative is keeping him in the press box in the NHL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: EvenSteven
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

-->