Sportsnet:NHL will come off $42.5

[waffledave]

Again, if I accept your premise when did the league ever give any indication that they would do a new cba without linkage to revenues. My only point is that it works both ways. All I know is that once linkage was dropped the players were willing to accept a cap. That is what I call negotiation and it's unfortunate it took 8 months for either side to finally bring something new to the table. Once again, if there is no deal than both sides should share the blame because to most of us there is obviously a deal to be made here.

Their November offer had no linkage.

 

[GKJ]

Is it at all possible that no news will be released even if a deal in principle is made because Bettman is waiting for the PC to annouce it?

Like what if they agreed to 45 million 5 minutes ago and instead of leaking it to the media they just decided to keep it quiet and announce it at the PC.

I mean I would think it's too late to cancel the PC, right?

Anything is possible.

 

[ChiHawks468]

Is it at all possible that no news will be released even if a deal in principle is made because Bettman is waiting for the PC to annouce it?

Like what if they agreed to 45 million 5 minutes ago and instead of leaking it to the media they just decided to keep it quiet and announce it at the PC.

I mean I would think it's too late to cancel the PC, right?

There's no way Good-n-plenty would let Betting-man have the spotlight to himself on saving the season. If the PC goes ahead, it is to pull the plug.

 

[mooseOAK*]

True.



I would like to remind everyone Bob Goodenow did not expand to the cities that everyone says shouldn't have NHL teams, thus they are the teams this lockout is over. Teams no one cares about. That's why Gary Bettman is more to blame than the players are. He just wants the players to fix their mistakes.

NHLPA approval was required for expansion, and they gave it. Even if this whole lockout was about the expansion teams, which it isn't, then Goodenow is just as guilty.

 

[Motown Beatdown]

Is it at all possible that no news will be released even if a deal in principle is made because Bettman is waiting for the PC to annouce it?

Like what if they agreed to 45 million 5 minutes ago and instead of leaking it to the media they just decided to keep it quiet and announce it at the PC.

I mean I would think it's too late to cancel the PC, right?

Possible yes? But i dont think that will happen. But it is a little late to cancel the presser.

 

[waffledave]

There's no way Good-n-plenty would let Betting-man have the spotlight to himself on saving the season. If the PC goes ahead, it is to pull the plug.

Well maybe he'll just dely cancellation then, who knows...

 

[Los Tiburones]

Is it at all possible that no news will be released even if a deal in principle is made because Bettman is waiting for the PC to annouce it?

Like what if they agreed to 45 million 5 minutes ago and instead of leaking it to the media they just decided to keep it quiet and announce it at the PC.

I mean I would think it's too late to cancel the PC, right?

I think the press conference is happening one way or another. Three possible outcomes: 1) reached deal in principle, season will happen, 2) the PA has presented a new offer, which needs to be reviewed, and at this time I feel it would be inappropriate to cancel the season until we have an opportunity to give this offer further review or 3) turn off the lights, I'm an idiot, and $2.5M is too important to us.

 

[Donnie D]

Impasse is only acheived when there is a stalemate in neogeotiations for a long period of time. Usually 1 year. 7 months before impasse the NHLPA said they would accept a salary cap and they're only separated by just $6.5 million dollars. I call that neogotiating, and since you claim that linkage was a legitimate issue in this, the owners took that off. So you lose linkage and luxury tax, so we're down to 2 sides complaining over how much a salary cap will be. The NLRB has better things to do with their time than to listen to 2 sides whine about how much a salary cap would be since they're so close anyways.. For lack of a better term, both sides have bargained in good faith. We're both not sitting here right before the season gets canceled with one side saying $31M salary cap and the other saying $60M luxury tax.

You continue to say $6.5 million. It is $1.1 Billion (with a B).

 

[ChiHawks468]

Well maybe he'll just dely cancellation then, who knows...

Maybe...we can only hope.

 

[shnagle]

Their November offer had no linkage.

I must have missed that proposal. Could you please explain it to me?

 

[Leafer4Life]

Is it at all possible that no news will be released even if a deal in principle is made because Bettman is waiting for the PC to annouce it?

Like what if they agreed to 45 million 5 minutes ago and instead of leaking it to the media they just decided to keep it quiet and announce it at the PC.

I mean I would think it's too late to cancel the PC, right?

I guess it's possible. I suppose the two sides could've reached a deal in secret, but it seems unlikely..........

 

[waffledave]

I must have missed that proposal. Could you please explain it to me?

Check out that NHLCBAnews website. It's there.

 

[GKJ]

NHLPA approval was required for expansion, and they gave it. Even if this whole lockout was about the expansion teams, which it isn't, then Goodenow is just as guilty.

It's not the PA's job to make sure the markets are viable. If they were so bad they should have never been up for approval in the first place. 19 times out of 20 something like that where it doesn't involve labor issues is almost accepted mainly because it's not their job to do that. What are the players going to say, "no"? The point is the markets were already bad and should have been researched, it should have never gotten to the PA.

 

[Slats432]

It's not the PA's job to make sure the markets are viable. If they were so bad they should have never been up for approval in the first place. 19 times out of 20 something like that where it doesn't involve labor issues is almost accepted mainly because it's not their job to do that. What are the players going to say, "no"? The point is the markets were already bad and should have been researched, it should have never gotten to the PA.

You have to qualify viable. What was viable 5 years ago isn't viable now.

 

[nomorekids]

You'd have a point if it were JUST the markets that YOU deem non-viable were the ones in need of this cap. Aren't Edmonton and Calgary "viable?" Aren't the Sens "viable?"

This isn't about who is viable and who isn't. It's about bleeding on the whole from the league, and that's as much to do with the Rangers and even your Flyers than it is anyone.

 

[GKJ]

You have to qualify viable. What was viable 5 years ago isn't viable now.

So how about marketing your team better if that's the case. How about marketing the league. There are a lot more underlying issues as to why the state of the game is where it is before we get to player salaries.

 

[shnagle]

Check out that NHLCBAnews website. It's there.

I just checked the website and the proposal to which I believe you were referring was the centralized negotiation where the league would negotiate/approve all contracts of players. I sincerely hope that you don't expect me to take this as an example of a proposal without linkage. Do you?

 

[waffledave]

I just checked the website and the proposal to which I believe you were referring was the centralized negotiation where the league would negotiate/approve all contracts of players. I sincerely hope that you don't expect me to take this as an example of a proposal without linkage. Do you?

No I don't think this is it. I remember someone posted it a few days ago but I don't know where.

 

[shnagle]

No I don't think this is it. I remember someone posted it a few days ago but I don't know where.

No poblem. I think it is a really important point if the league has made a prior offer without linkage and was just curious to read the offer. Thanks.

 

[mooseOAK*]

It's not the PA's job to make sure the markets are viable. If they were so bad they should have never been up for approval in the first place. 19 times out of 20 something like that where it doesn't involve labor issues is almost accepted mainly because it's not their job to do that. What are the players going to say, "no"? The point is the markets were already bad and should have been researched, it should have never gotten to the PA.

Who says they are bad markets? Being expansion teams they are going to lose for a while which inhibits their ability to build up a fan base quickly and even so Columbus and Minnesota are doing quite well at the gate.

 

[BobMckenzie]

Wow, a 15 page thread on an item that had not a shred of truth to it this morning, which is even more obvious now. Is that an HF record?

 

[Lobstertainment]

Wow, a 15 page thread on an item that had not a shred of truth to it this morning, which is even more obvious now. Is that an HF record?

We're young and foolish and not as "experienced" as you are Bob

 

[officeglen]

Wow, a 15 page thread on an item that had not a shred of truth to it this morning, which is even more obvious now. Is that an HF record?

No, various "trade rumours" went far longer.

 

[Lou is God]

Wow, a 15 page thread on an item that had not a shred of truth to it this morning, which is even more obvious now. Is that an HF record?

Not if this one has anything to say about that.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=130064

*sigh*