Sportsnet: NHL includes stiff luxury tax in latest proposal

[Brent Burns Beard]

moose... don't even waste your time. If he actually believes that small market teams are better off without a cap, then let him live in his own little world. We'll all have a laugh at his expense in a few years when what's obvious to the rest of us becomes obvious to him also.

so how would CGY be better off today if they were unable to trade Neiuwendyk for Iginla and Fleury for Regehr becaues DAL and COL didnt have cap room ?

dr

 

[Crazy_Ike]

so how would CGY be better off today if they were unable to trade Neiuwendyk for Iginla and Fleury for Regehr becaues DAL and COL didnt have cap room ?

You have no basis in reality to claim that. Those teams were operating without a cap in the first place. Had there been a cap, it is perfectly reasonable to assume the situation would have been sufficiently different that they may well have had cap room for the players they got in return.

You're forcing assumptions of salary ranges and cap room on a situation without a cap. Fallacious argument.

On the other hand, it is quite easy to argue that Calgary will be better off today and in the future if they are able to KEEP Iginla and Regehr since they aren't forced to compete with Toronto and New York wallets when trying to keep players in a capped system.

But then, why bother telling this to you... you think that the OLD CBA was perfectly fine... not even the players themselves think that.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

You have no basis in reality to claim that. Those teams were operating without a cap in the first place. Had there been a cap, it is perfectly reasonable to assume the situation would have been sufficiently different that they may well have had cap room for the players they got in return.

You're forcing assumptions of salary ranges and cap room on a situation without a cap. Fallacious argument.

On the other hand, it is quite easy to argue that Calgary will be better off today and in the future if they are able to KEEP Iginla and Regehr since they aren't forced to compete with Toronto and New York wallets when trying to keep players in a capped system.

But then, why bother telling this to you... you think that the OLD CBA was perfectly fine... not even the players themselves think that.

how would NYR and TOR get their hands on Iginla or Regehr under the old system ? there has not been an RFA offer in a good 6 or 7 years.

under the new system though, Iginla might very well be a UFA shortly and therefore very easy to sign by TOR and NYR.

yup, this CBA war is all about saving CGY. lol.

dr

 

[WC Handy*]

so how would CGY be better off today if they were unable to trade Neiuwendyk for Iginla and Fleury for Regehr becaues DAL and COL didnt have cap room ?

dr

There are more than 2 players on a team, yes?

Calgary won exactly zero Cups under the last CBA, yes?

Calgary missed the playoffs SEVEN times in the 10 years the league opperated under the CBA, yes?

Yet you think they'd be better off without a cap because they benefitted from two trades... which got them two players that they will not be able to retain unless a cap is instituted?

 

[Crazy_Ike]

how would NYR and TOR get their hands on Iginla or Regehr under the old system ? there has not been an RFA offer in a good 6 or 7 years.

There doesn't need to be. Iginla and Regehr will ask for salaries comparable to players they think they compare favorably to, and those players are the ones getting new contracts, either UFAs or new deals with the same team. The problem is every player uses the highest paid player they can reasonably compare themselves to as their basis, meaning the entire league has to argue salaries based on what the teams spending the MOST have given out even if THEY are trying to spend reasonably. It's not that either player would *go* to Tor or NY or anywhere else, it's that they will use salaries given out by the highest spending teams as basis of negotiation for their own.

Wow we've gone this far in a lockout and you don't even recognize this basic fact?

under the new system though, Iginla might very well be a UFA shortly and therefore very easy to sign by TOR and NYR.

Maybe he will... but the reason won't be because New York has more money than Calgary anymore.

yup, this CBA war is all about saving CGY.

Yep. That's exactly what this CBA war is about, and is why you PA apologists will never really get it.

 

[WC Handy*]

...very easy to sign by TOR and NYR.

How are the two teams that are going to be effected the most by the cap going to manage finding room under the cap for Iginla?

Unlike under the last CBA, the teams with the most money to spend will be the teams with the most cap room. Not the teams in the largest markets. If Calgary manages their team well enough, they'll have plenty of cap space to retain Iginla.